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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 07:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: solidrock on Wednesday 06 June 18 04:41 BST (UK)
This is on Ancestry but I can't view it, perhaps you can check it out...


Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922
Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish
Name    Martha Augusta Randall

I can't view much detail on there until I sign up. I want to get the family tree done before I do and it will take awhile.

I'm really disappointed I can't find a birth date for George on any of the documents in Australia, I really had high hopes for Martha's marriage certificate to at least have George's place of birth on it. What we have of him with the Rotten Row family must be him. I'm wondering now if the age on his marriage certificate - 27, should be 22 (like you previously suggested) - maybe the person who wrote the certificate was copying the information from a register and thought the 2 was a 7. One thing we have for sure is his daughter Martha's details now, which confirms she is indeed George's daughter. As for our family history, I just wanted to make sure that George of the Rotten Row family is our George. Everything else relating to the other side of the family has been well researched.

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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 04:50 BST (UK)  »
Yes, her details match those my cousin has given me so we do know it's her for sure now. At least that's one thing, being able to download certificates, it's just a shame they didn't keep more detailed records - makes it hard.

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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 04:40 BST (UK)  »
It does look like it's them  :) Well I bought the certificate image and typical of this country's record keeping it only lists the parents' names and professions  :( - it's too painful.

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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 03:30 BST (UK)  »
That's excellent! Thank you! I found her marriage record in the Victorian BDM, the same as you found I think, but can't see how to buy the certificate. I thought George's birth date and place of birth might be on it. I'll keep looking when I get a chance. I've neglected too much with looking for George's info.

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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 03:17 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that, I didn't think he was a convict either  :)

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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 03:06 BST (UK)  »
That's her! This is the record my cousin has: Married 1872, James John McLean at Seymour, Victoria.
You're so good at this - I couldn't find the marriage record when I searched.

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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 01:24 BST (UK)  »
More about George: My brother called in yesterday and I asked him what he knew about George coming to Australia. He said George brought his father's ship out and sold it because his father hadn't given him any money. From what we were told, George was supposed to return to England with the ship. My brother also said George arrived in Fremantle, Western Australia. So I began searching for him there. The strange part is I can't find a record of George arriving on any passenger lists anywhere. I did find a convict record, have posted the image. And I found a listing in the newspaper, The Perth Gazette and Western Australian Journal for a schooner (Timbo) and its cargo being sold by a Mr Randall, image posted below. However, the dates don't match with what we know and on further investigation it appears that the name associated with the Timbo is C Randall.

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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Wednesday 06 June 18 00:58 BST (UK)  »
I agree with you, but I'd like to find a record of our George's birth date in a document in Australia to be absolutely sure we have the right one. I can't find a record of it anywhere and now I'm trying to find historical publican licences to see if it's recorded on his licences, but I'm not having much luck.

I've just found a note about Martha Augusta attached to the back of the information my distant cousin wrote about her and this may explain why we've had no luck finding her birth record. I quote from the note:

"In a hand written document found amongst personal papers after the death of Gladys Ruby Locke daughter of Walter Randall, (brother of Martha Augusta) it lists the birth dates of the children of George Randall and Ellen Janeway. Although some of the dates are not correct with the actual day, they are, on the whole, fairly accurate and in my opinion can serve as a guide where no details survived. It states that Martha Augusta Randall was born in Adelaide 21 August 1857. This year seems unlikely when you compare details on later documents (wedding, death certificates). It's more likely to have been 1851, particularly in light of the fact that no record of the birth is available from the pioneer index of South Australia. I was told that there had been a fire and some records from the Mt Barker area had been destroyed. This may account for the fact that no record for either Martha Augusta or her sister Ellen appears."

So it seems that some of the dates of the births of George and Ellen's children that my cousin has recorded have been taken from my Aunty Glady's notes.

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The Common Room / Re: Searching for Parents of George Randall (born around 1823)
« on: Monday 04 June 18 10:18 BST (UK)  »
I've had a small seed of doubt about the George we found, even when my distant cousin first told me about him, but he does add up. I understand what you're saying about him probably lying about his age on the marriage certificate - he probably had his reasons. It's just that I can't find any connection for him to the sea. The family believed he came from Devon to Australia, but I can't find any Devon connection to our George.

My cousin sent for his death certificate but she found out that the information on the certificate was given by a neighbour who said George was born in Derby. My cousin felt certain this was our George too.

I don't think there's a headstone, but I'm not sure. It's just that his grave didn't show up in the memorials search, only in the cemetery burials record my cousin found.

The only information on my grandfather's (Walter) birth certificate is George's and Ellen's names, profession of father, and residence of parents.

I haven't checked all the convicts records - it's going to take a lot of time. I'll finish the family tree and sign up with Ancestry.com for a month because I have a German great grandfather on my mum's side to chase up. I want to compile as much information as I can before I sign up so I can get as many details as possible in that time.

Thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow. Happy supplies day tomorrow  ;D


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