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Wales / Re: Help in Llanddulas
« on: Sunday 18 February 24 12:50 GMT (UK)  »
On the 1851 Census Thomas Jones, age 19, quarryman, born Abergele, is with parents Evan and Elizabeth and brother John at "Tyn y Wall, village of Llandulas". About 10 households away are the Rectory and BŰd-hyfryd - which can be seen on this 1872 map

Thomas' marriage cert confirms father as Evan Jones, Rockman.

Just to say a huge thank you for the link to this lovely map! I'm referring to it quite a bit! A lovely map!

Wales / Re: Help in Llanddulas
« on: Wednesday 14 February 24 20:38 GMT (UK)  »
1891 Llysfaen. Conway.

Could this be David. Born Llanddulas.

David Jones30Head limestone quarrier.
Amelia Jones33Wife
Thomas Jones6Son
Catherine Jones4Daughter

No obvious marriage in the area and difficult to find a birth reg to find mmn.
Catherine baptised 1887 Llanddulas.

So many Jones 😉

You are right - so many Jones! I was hoping Amelia being a slightly more unusual name may have led me to a marriage cert but canít find it on either Ancestry or FindMyPast!

Wales / Re: Help in Llanddulas
« on: Wednesday 14 February 24 17:41 GMT (UK)  »
It is indeed Louisa. They end up in Huddersfield, Louisa loses both daughters to Scarlet Fever and she dies from TB in 1890.

Other than Mary, Iím struggling to track any of the others as they grow up and marry etc!

They just all Ďdisappearí between 1881 - 1891!


Wales / Re: Help in Llanddulas
« on: Wednesday 14 February 24 16:14 GMT (UK)  »
To help eliminate one.
Emma Jones burial Llanddulas 24 July 1886 is the wife of a Robert Jones. She isn't quite the right age but was worth looking at.
Not much help really 😉

Eliminating one is a help - truly! Thank you!

Wales / Re: Help in Llanddulas
« on: Wednesday 14 February 24 15:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all,

I'm starting to build a picture of this side of the family. However, I'm trying to find out when Emma Jones (MMN Davies) may have died. In the 1881 Census she is at 5 Tyn y Wal, Llanddulas.with her husband Thomas and various children.

10 years later, I can't find her or any of the family on the 1891 Census. At 5 Tyn Y Wal a John Evans and family are living. Historically Thomas and Emma seem to stay between Tyn y Wal and 'The Square' in Llanddulas. The only 'event' I know of around that time was their daughter Louisa dying in Huddersfield in 1890. In fact I'm struggling trying to find any of the families marriages other than Louisa and Mary! It's Emma I'm focussed on at the moment though.

Any pointers /tips/ help are gratefully received.

Wales / Re: Help in Llanddulas
« on: Monday 12 February 24 17:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much everyone. This is far more information than I expected and opens up plenty of lines that have puzzled me for a long time! I shall sift through it all. What I have done today is found Mary's birth certificate on GRO which confirms her Father is Thomas, a 'Stone Quarry Labourer' and that she was born "in the village of Llanddulas" on 19 March 1858, Mother is Emma - MMN Davies.

Since then, I can see Mary's baptism which has Tyn Y Wal as place of birth. I can also potentially see a marriage record for Thomas and Emma in 1852. Both marriage and Mary's baptism at St Cynbryd, Llanddulas.

It's interesting, as I can only place Thomas in Liverpool around 1877, when Mary marries Griffith Owen in Liverpool. Thomas' address on the marriage certificate for his daughter says he is at 105 Gregson St. Using the electoral registers, at this address a William Evans was living there in 1871 but between 1874 - 1878 (over the time of the wedding) a Samuel Davies is listed as being there... I can't find the 1871 Census record.

Mary dies young from TB in 1887 in Liverpool.

I 'think' in 1871 I can see Thomas (46) and Emma (41) with children David, Evan and Jane at '7 Square, Llanddulas' (I think)

In 1881 I think they are at '5 Tyn Y Wal'  Thomas (50) Emma (51) with David, Evan and a  Louisa Earnshaw (27) married, born in Llanddluas but appears to be wih her children Amy (6) and Beatrice (11 months), now all living in Huddersfield. I thought Tyn Y Wal was one farmhouse, however, this Census has numbers next to it like it's a road which has me puzzled?

So I'm wondering if Mary was 'sent' to Liverpool young as she's not on the 1871 Census here? I can find, in Fletcher St Liverpool a Mary Jones (13) Lodger who is living with a Jane Jones (widow) 42 and a Dressmaker from Llangollen. This lists Mary as being born in Liverpool though that could be a mistake of course?

Thomas doesn't appear to have settled in Liverpool?

Much to ponder , review and cross reference with all your lovely help. I shall go through it all. Thank you so much. It's really appreciated.


Wales / Re: Help in Llanddulas
« on: Monday 12 February 24 11:14 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much CaroleW


Wales / Help in Llanddulas
« on: Monday 12 February 24 10:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hello there,

I'm trying to uncover more about my Great Grandmother Mary Jones, born 1858 in Llanddulas. I know her Father's name was Thomas and he was a 'Rockman' and the family at some point between her birth and her marriage in 1877, they moved to Liverpool (she marries in Liverpool.)

I possibly have a link to unravel but it's a bit tenuous at the minute. Looking at the nearest Church - St Cynbryd's, in 1852 an Emma Davies married a Thomas Jones then in 1858 a Mary Jones was baptised there and the address Tyn Y Wal, which I think was a farm. Unfortunately I can't find any 1851 / 1861 Census record of this address and by 1871 it appears to have been running in the 'Evans' family.

I'm trying to find Mary's birth record and on GRO there are many options. My question is, back in 1858, what would the registration district be known as for Llanddulas, where the birth would have been registered?

Many thanks for helping if you can.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help with sidenote on Baptism record please
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 11:44 BST (UK)  »

I've had a good look at the page and from others on there it seems it is a note of his marriage.
Contract of matrimony in /at Stella Morris Seaforth 16th Aug to Editha Cooperthwaite or as it says on their marriage reg Cowperthwaite which was 1924

For info. using translate Latin to English

Stella Maris (Star of the Sea) Seaforth Die 16 Augustus (on the 16th August) cum Editha (with Edith) Cooperth...?
Witnerus (witness ) Pat & Anastasia Cooper....?

Iím assuming Cooper...? is the surname of Edith, Pa?? & Anastasia

1911 census has an Edith Cowperthwaite b1901 sister called  Anastasia L  born 1905 (parents Henry J(ames) & Lilian) - edit to add (mmn Webster)

Lilian Cowperthwaite
Death Age   71
13 Church Road
Burial 17 Sep 1949 Ford Cemetery Grave AS 755

Henry James same grave number buried 20 May 1936
son Cyril age 23 same grave number buried 18 Jun 1923
Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1985

Lancashire BMD

WEBSTER   Lillian   
1899   Prescot Register Office or Registrar Attended

KENNEDY   James E   
1924   West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended

That's given me so much to go ahead with. Super kind of you to take the time and really, much appreciated.Thank you.  :)


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