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Dear all,

I'm trying to get the details of a marriage between Thomas Morris and Mary Kelly in Liverpool on 15th Sept 1851. Frustratingly, Ancestry gives me the outline details but I can't see the transcript and therefore any of the details! I know I'll probably have to resort to trying to order is (as it's an important confirmation link potentially) but wondered if anyone had any help / ideas to throw into the pot to try and find out a different way?

Thank you! 
M

Ancestry and Find my Past have indexes for Catholic parishes, otherwise it is a trawl through records.
As I said earlier, Kilmore Erris records begin 1860. This is the parish for Cross and Binghamstown.

Henry Geoghegan baptised  8th September 1861, residence Cross with sponsors Chas Geoghegan and Celia Lally
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634629#page/9/mode/1up

Apologies if you are aware of these records.
Honor 6th March 1864 - sponsors Chas Geoghegan and Sally (I think) Lally

Mary 30th September 1866 sponsors  Matt? Cain and Sibby Lally

Agnes 14th September 1869 sponsors Anthy Keane and Celia? Lally

Elisabeth 21st October 1877 sponsors Mick Kennedy and Ellen Hughes

These are the ones I have found easily and I would think there are more.

You might want then to see if you can track and link the sponsors.

There is a marriage here for a lady called Celia Lally of Shragh
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11336/8160684.pdf

It will be difficult because your records are before the online parish records and of course they don’t give father’s details if you find them.

Shragh would be Belmullet parish

Heywood,

Thank you again for your time. I had some of those baptisms but not all. I will certainly use them as a starting point , tracing through them to see if I can make any links!

M

I have been looking at baptisms to Charles and Ellen and sponsors names.
Sometimes they can be helpful for family members.

I gave you Dennis Lally earlier in G V in Srah and Maggsie has given you Tithe Applotments records.

Charles and Ellen were living in Rinanagh which was likely to be Charles’ homeplace.

Tithe Applotment books show Anthony Gaughan but no Geoghegan in Reenanagh.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625684/004625684_00094.pdf

G V shows Charles in Rinanagh. https://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/kilmore.htm

This morning, I looked in a book I have of the area but your family are not discussed (it is about people whose families originated in the Iniskea islands and moved to the Mullet peninsula.
I was going to mention DNA to you but looked at a couple of published trees and saw that Ellen had 180+ descendants in her newspaper memorial 
My husband’s family come from the same area and he has many DNA connections (mainly distant) so checked that with a couple of tree owners. There was no connection but it showed that I have a very distant connection with one 

Heywood,
A million thanks once more for this. I feel frustrated a little as I seem to 'know' Ellen Lally in obituary and her children's details etc. But on the other hand, don't know her at all as I don't know her parents (I'm still not 100% certain Denis is the correct Father's name!) or siblings etc. I'm not going to give up though!

I have Charles Geoghegan being of Cross, Belmullet - would this have been nearby to Rinanagh? Born circa 1824, died Oct 1885. His Father was a Charles too, of Cross, Belmullet 1781 - 1863, married to a Margaret Hughes - though again, I have no marriage details or MMN links through their childrens baptisms as I can't find anything! Other than 'my' Charles I found 2 other children - Henry G 1827 and Michael G 1834.


Back to Ellen Lally - I am 'told' (hence my need to 'prove!') that her Mother was a MacHale. And that potentially she was Ellen MacHale born circa 1806 to a Patrick 'Tor' MacKeal 1749c (know as MacHale) and Catherine MacCale (Patrick's 2nd wife) Patrick's first wife was Mary Mulkiernan and amongst others, produced the well know Archbishop of Tuam - John MacHale. They lived Tobernaveen.It was thought that Catherine McCale had 3 daughters and 2 sons with Patrick, Ellen MacHale being one of them....

That MacHale MMN link to Ellen Lally came randomly from seeing a handwritten note on the death 'story' of Ellen Lally that states "Ellen Lally's Uncle was Archbishop John MacHale..."

I think I'm going to try and focus on finding Ellen Lally's parents and siblings first. With more Lally's thrown up courtesy of the great help received on this thread, I will try to exhaust them to work out who's who and then continue to try and find any form of evidence that Denis Lally married Ellen MacHale... The revisit again everything I know, just in case!

Thanks again 
M

Unfortunately the baptism and marriage dates are too early for the registers online
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0752

You will see on that page that Roots Ireland, which is a pay site may have earlier records but I don’t know if that is the case.

You do seem to have quite a bit of information re Ellen’s family so maybe from another site.

This site https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/captcha.jsp has civil records from 1864 so you will find deaths on there.  You need to solve a captcha.
The earlier deaths though aren’t online but you can send for certificates.

Dennis Lally deaths http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pf8/
You will find Ellen’s death on the site.

Is this Ellen in 1901 census?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Binghamstown_South/Rinanagh/1580788/

And 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Binghamstown__South/Rinanagh/709880/

Hi Heywood,

Thank you so much for this. I hadn't seen the list of Denis Lally deaths - got me wondering if the other one in 1865 aged 80 may be his Father...!
I've found some of my info through Ancestry but often find the public trees can be useful but misleading if not careful, so I try to prove the findings myself! A lot of my info has been given through family info / word of mouth.

It is 'our' Ellen in 1901 / 1911. George was one of her sons and the niece Norah living there is another of Ellens grandchildren, another Ellen (!) who married a Kennedy and seemed to be in the USA without her.

Thank you for your pointers, very helpful and appreciated
M