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Australia / Re: Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 08:07 BST (UK) »
I think we just about have it, thanks to you all. I'll be back when I get stumped again!
Geoff
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Australia / Re: Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 08:00 BST (UK) »
The Henry White who married in Sydney was the son of Benjamin White, Lieutenant-Colonel of the 28th Tipperary Militia, or Duke of Clarence's Munster. So different family. Phew!
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Australia / Re: Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 07:54 BST (UK) »
I like your creative thinking. But Edward was described as the second son of Colonel White in his death notice. A Henry Junior is not mentioned in Edward's probate file, but the two others we have in the service record (Benjamin and Mary Anne) are.
Until now the main proponents of the Henry Junior theory were the Kilmore Historical Society who made a reference to Henry John White (1810-69). But Henry and Katharine married in 1807. Benjamin, Edward and Mary Anne were born in 1816, 1819 and 1822 respectively. If there was a Henry John born in 1810 he would be first son (not second son) and Edward would be third son (not second son.
Marriage Cobbitty/Narellan C of E, funeral St Lawrence's C of Sydney.
But we will check it out!
Thanks, Geoff
Until now the main proponents of the Henry Junior theory were the Kilmore Historical Society who made a reference to Henry John White (1810-69). But Henry and Katharine married in 1807. Benjamin, Edward and Mary Anne were born in 1816, 1819 and 1822 respectively. If there was a Henry John born in 1810 he would be first son (not second son) and Edward would be third son (not second son.
Marriage Cobbitty/Narellan C of E, funeral St Lawrence's C of Sydney.
But we will check it out!
Thanks, Geoff
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Australia / Re: Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 07:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks. Now we know the father story was correct. I didn't even know there was a Cornwall Chronicle in Launceston, Tasmania. I knew there was a Launceston in Cornwall, of course.
And thanks for the new problem with a son Henry. The only way I can see it working is if the son Henry was illegitimate, since the British Army pointedly said it only wanted to know about legitimate children.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
Geoff
And thanks for the new problem with a son Henry. The only way I can see it working is if the son Henry was illegitimate, since the British Army pointedly said it only wanted to know about legitimate children.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
Geoff
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Australia / Re: Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 06:55 BST (UK) »
Born 2 Jan 1777 at Bride Park, Ovens, Cork, Ireland. Several comments I've seen saying he spoke with a broad Cork accent and swore like a (whatever). Married in London but his wife died and is buried at Kinsale, Cork. When Edward died his sister was living at Killinardish, Cork. Kids were born in India, London and Wales. But the one born in London must have been conceived in the East Indies. So it seems they were basically an Irish family who went wherever he was posted (which included spells in Nova Scotia and Bermuda as well).
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Australia / Re: Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 06:43 BST (UK) »
Found him on the Aden thanks Middlesbrough. Yes the military wanted to keep a close eye on kids, in case he died and they had to pay pensions!
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Australia / Re: Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 06:34 BST (UK) »
Middlesbrough, that looks promising, do you remember what paper it was in? He was always called Colonel White.
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Australia / Re: Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 06:32 BST (UK) »
Grim reading. TSS Sturt was the owner of Compton station near Mount Gambier when Edward was his house guest and got the employee Mingboaram pregnant. On her death bed Mingboaram told Maria her father was "Mr W" -- or perhaps Mrs Smith abbreviated the name for the book (Maria was Maria White after all). We found a reference to son Henry John White on the Kilmore history site, but we are not sure about that, because the service records definitely just have his children as Benjamin, Edward and Mary Anne. In Edward's probate file his next of kin are Benjamin and Mary Anne, and the administrators are Peter Snodgrass and TSS Sturt. Benjamin (b 1816) was the first son, Edward (b 1819) was the second. If there was a Henry (b 1810) he would outrank the others. We were easily confused to start with but I think we are getting a much better handle on it now. I'd really just like to be able to substantiate the statement that Henry sailed for England in 1844 and died at sea. Geoff
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Australia / Death of Colonel HENRY WHITE 1844 on voyage Australia to England
« on: Tuesday 23 August 22 04:48 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
I have hit a brick wall trying to check the death of Colonel Henry White (1777-1844?), who came to Australia with his son Edward Riggs White (1819-1853) on the ship "City of Edinburgh", arriving in Port Jackson in 1837 (we have the passenger list). From Sydney, Henry and Edward went to Victoria (where they were founding members of the Melbourne Club), and Edward also ventured into South Australia, where he met a Boandik (Buandig) tribal woman named Mingboaram who was working at a station where he was a house guest. Edward was taken on to help survey the border between Victoria and South Australia, for which he is best known. He fathered a child, Maria White, with Mingboaram. Luckily a missionary's wife, Mrs James (Christina) Smith, detailed the story of Mingboaram and Maria in a book she wrote. Maria then had a daughter, Bertha, with my great granduncle James Turner. My cousins and I (including descendants of Mingboaram) are trying to work back along the White line. Henry White was in the British Army before coming to Australia and we have obtained his service record, so that has been a big help. We also have Edward's probate file, which names his brother Benjamin in Melbourne and sister Mary Anne in Ireland. We couldn't find the death of Benjamin in Victoria, but we now know he was born in Calcutta, so he might have died away from Australia as well. Never mind. We couldn't find Henry's death either, but an article in a historical society journal we located says he "sailed for England in 1844 and died at sea". Henry's death certificate or probate file are not listed in Victoria, which supports this historian's version of events (he has been pretty right about most -- not all -- things in the article, as far as we know). But we are stumped as to how we can check the veracity of the claim he sailed for England in 1844 and died at sea. The historian must have got that information from somewhere. We thought if we could find out which ship he was on that might help, but the Victorian outward passenger lists don't seem to start until 1852, which is too late for us. The usually helpful Trove database of newspapers and other publications hasn't helped. So I'm stumped, which made me think I should turn to my knowledgeable friends on Rootschat. Any ideas? All help gratefully appreciated. Geoff Turner.
I have hit a brick wall trying to check the death of Colonel Henry White (1777-1844?), who came to Australia with his son Edward Riggs White (1819-1853) on the ship "City of Edinburgh", arriving in Port Jackson in 1837 (we have the passenger list). From Sydney, Henry and Edward went to Victoria (where they were founding members of the Melbourne Club), and Edward also ventured into South Australia, where he met a Boandik (Buandig) tribal woman named Mingboaram who was working at a station where he was a house guest. Edward was taken on to help survey the border between Victoria and South Australia, for which he is best known. He fathered a child, Maria White, with Mingboaram. Luckily a missionary's wife, Mrs James (Christina) Smith, detailed the story of Mingboaram and Maria in a book she wrote. Maria then had a daughter, Bertha, with my great granduncle James Turner. My cousins and I (including descendants of Mingboaram) are trying to work back along the White line. Henry White was in the British Army before coming to Australia and we have obtained his service record, so that has been a big help. We also have Edward's probate file, which names his brother Benjamin in Melbourne and sister Mary Anne in Ireland. We couldn't find the death of Benjamin in Victoria, but we now know he was born in Calcutta, so he might have died away from Australia as well. Never mind. We couldn't find Henry's death either, but an article in a historical society journal we located says he "sailed for England in 1844 and died at sea". Henry's death certificate or probate file are not listed in Victoria, which supports this historian's version of events (he has been pretty right about most -- not all -- things in the article, as far as we know). But we are stumped as to how we can check the veracity of the claim he sailed for England in 1844 and died at sea. The historian must have got that information from somewhere. We thought if we could find out which ship he was on that might help, but the Victorian outward passenger lists don't seem to start until 1852, which is too late for us. The usually helpful Trove database of newspapers and other publications hasn't helped. So I'm stumped, which made me think I should turn to my knowledgeable friends on Rootschat. Any ideas? All help gratefully appreciated. Geoff Turner.