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Lancashire / Re: The death of WILLIAM CHIPPINDALL in Morecambe Bay in 1765
« on: Friday 08 December 23 07:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks.

Geoff

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Lancashire / Re: The death of WILLIAM CHIPPINDALL in Morecambe Bay in 1765
« on: Thursday 07 December 23 21:53 GMT (UK)  »
We have now bought some archive material relating to another of the drowning victim's sons, the Rev Giles Chippindall of Winwick, which has switched our interest to him. His wife Elizabeth Thomazine Price was from Norfolk and their two daughters were baptized there. I found the baptism of the first child on FreeReg.
 
Norfolk
Ormesby St Margaret
Parish Register
Baptism  7 Sep 1792
Mary Richardson
F
Father Giles CHIPPINDALL
Mother Elizabeth Thomazine PRICE
Father occupation Rev'd.
NOTES: Being the day after her birth, Mother late spinster. Privately baptised. 

What would "Mother late spinster" mean in this context? That she had married not long before the birth?

I haven't been able to find a substantiated record of Giles' marriage to Elizabeth Thomazine Price. There is a suggestion that they married in London in 1791 but that might just be wishful thinking on someone's part.  Does anyone have access to their marriage record?

Thanks again,
Geoff
Brisbane, Australia

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Lancashire / Re: The death of WILLIAM CHIPPINDALL in Morecambe Bay in 1765
« on: Monday 27 November 23 22:27 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, it's great to have discovered this account. It is exactly what we were hoping to find. It is hard to know, but the fact remains that it was William's choice to go when he did, and not with  "the regular carriers and postmen in the middle of the day".

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Lancashire / Re: The death of WILLIAM CHIPPINDALL in Morecambe Bay in 1765
« on: Monday 27 November 23 00:42 GMT (UK)  »
Phil Dawson of Bath has transcribed an 84-page longhand document written by the drowned man's son Richard Chippindall (1751-1826) in 1824 which describes the drowning in great detail. He sent it to me and I thought you might be interested.I thought you might be interested.

I have now to record one of the most melancholy and fatal events which could have occurred in our family by which every prospect in life vanished every comfort lost and every individual overwhelmed in poisons and decays by the untimely death of one of the best of fathers. And here I must stop to shed a tear to the memory of one who was a most excellent husband and as excellent parent - of the most strict integrity a most religious man and a good Christian and lest some of the junior branches of my family who may peruse this are unacquainted with circumstances attending this distressing accident I will according to my best recollection relate particularly as they accused a relation of my Fathers Mr Joseph Chippindall of the new house an estate which he occupied near Waddington in the neighbourhood of Mason Green, who was contemporary and schoolfellow with him and intimately connected while he remained at home, he was now an Attorney of some eminence at Manchester and had married a lady of great fortune and he formerly having promised to assist my father in finding out a proper master for me when ready to be placed out in business at this time being the burgis [burgess] at Lancaster which Mr J Chippindall was always in the habit of attending my father was induced to give him the meeting there and consult upon that amongst other subjects and instead of crossing the sand with the regular carriers or postmen at the middle of the day it being spring tides and at a busy time he was induced to cross by the morning tide alone and return with them in the evening thereby saving one day On the 1st of May 1766 he started, a servant attending him at 3 o’clock in the morning and seeing him safely over the Ulverstone sands and being then daylight parted from him and returned leaving him proceeding forward to Lancaster sands, a deep fog struck in so dense that he could not perceive his usual remarks in crossing; a flash of water in his way which he imagined was shallow but proved deep water into which his horse plunged being an old dock formed by a sloop having laid there at anchor his horse was supposed through the exertion to have broken the saddle girths. The saddle parted from the horse but by that time the tide began to flow and [the horse?] was forced to swim for it and having 5 or 6 miles from land. He with some difficulty reached the shore in the road to Flookbro when he was caught and sent home and thus confirmed too justly his [William's] melancholy fate. The distress of my poor mother and the whole family is more easily imagined than described. Left a widow with 8 children the eldest though arrived at man’s estate was always in bad health and the youngest in her arms. My father left no will therefore as the Estate at Mason Green was entailed the principal part of his property came to my eldest brother John.

Geoff

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Lancashire / Re: The death of WILLIAM CHIPPINDALL in Morecambe Bay in 1765
« on: Sunday 26 November 23 10:09 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks. That’s great.

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Lancashire / Re: The death of WILLIAM CHIPPINDALL in Morecambe Bay in 1765
« on: Sunday 26 November 23 07:44 GMT (UK)  »
I have now applied to the Lancashire Archives for a copy of the will of the Rev Giles Chippindall (1760-1823). It seems it will take about a week for them to send me a quote, and if I say yes, it will be another week before they can send it to me. But the wheels are in motion. 

In the meantime I am pursuing another query, also based on what I am calling the "hand-drawn tree". I'm told this was prepared by a Chippindall family member (Harold Chippindall?) who was an experienced historian and author of several books who had access to the relevant church records, and I have found it generally reliable.

Richard Chippindall (1751-1826) married Mary Bolton (b 1765 at Blyth, Nottinghamshire) in 1788 at St George's, Hanover Square, London. Mary was the daughter of David Bolton, who was "Preceptor in Mathematics to the Queen and Princesses", as the Morning Post in London put it.

The hand-drawn tree seems to say Mary died 20 Sep 1802. The three Ancestry trees with her (probably copying each other) say she died on 22 Jul 1813 in London. FindMyPast has a Mary Chippindall buried at Harefield (Greater London) on 18 Sep 1803.

London makes sense. The couple were married there and all their children were born there -- and all before 1802. Richard outlived Mary, so she would not have remarried as a widow. Remarrying as a divorcee seems unlikely.

FreeReg has three Mary Chippendall burials about the right time, but they are all at Waddington, on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border, so unlikely to be her. 

FindMyPast and FamilySearch are no help, other than the 1803 burial I mentioned.

I am happy to accept the veracity of the hand-drawn tree, but it would be nice to find documentary evidence, if anyone can steer me in the right direction.

Thanks,
Geoff

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England / Re: Latin abbreviations in printed parish summaries
« on: Friday 24 November 23 11:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks one and all.

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England / Re: Latin abbreviations in printed parish summaries
« on: Friday 24 November 23 07:33 GMT (UK)  »
OK thanks, I thought the sep was  the 7th of the month, but I see now that they are all sep. That must mean something else.

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England / Latin abbreviations in printed parish summaries
« on: Friday 24 November 23 04:51 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I couldn't see anywhere more appropriate. My ancestor  John Chippindall had two wives. I have a printed parish summary for Waddington, on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border, which includes the first wife's burial.

Under Burials 1714, the sixth line reads: Elianora Uxor (wife) Joh'ís (Johannis) Chippendell de (of) Bashall sep: (7th) Julij (July). Then "17mo". At first glance I thought it was an infant death of a child aged 17 months but that's not it. The abbreviations mo, to, no, vo and even tio are used in baptisms, marriages and burials on the same page.

Can anyone tells me what the Latin abbreviation "mo" means in this context?

Thanks,
Geoff Turner

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