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Thanks for the wonderful work you have done for us all, Ros. It has been greatly appreciated and you deserve to concentrate on your own priorities for a change! Geoff

Australia / Re: JOHN PETERS emigration from SCOTLAND to AUSTRALIA
« on: Saturday 13 August 22 04:00 BST (UK)  »
Yes, and it has occurred to me that if he sailed from Liverpool to Melbourne on the "Suevic", went through Immigration there, and made his way to Queensland by land or coastal steamer, he would not be arriving in Queensland as an "immigrant" anyway. I am heading back to the NAA site but that is my working theory at the moment. Thanks to all, and especially Neale1961. Geoff

Australia / Re: JOHN PETERS emigration from SCOTLAND to AUSTRALIA
« on: Saturday 13 August 22 02:40 BST (UK)  »
The Suevic entry is interesting, assuming he intended to keep going to Queensland, had shaved a few years off his age, and had upgraded his occupation -- all possible. Thanks.

Australia / Re: JOHN PETERS emigration from SCOTLAND to AUSTRALIA
« on: Saturday 13 August 22 02:15 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the effort, but that would not be him. Too late, and he would have been something like a farm labourer whereas that man was a (commercial?) traveller. I have just discovered his daughter lived at Gympie in 1903, so I will try to find him in the Maryborough arrivals.

Australia / Re: JOHN PETERS emigration from SCOTLAND to AUSTRALIA
« on: Saturday 13 August 22 01:29 BST (UK)  »
His death certificate says he was seven years in Queensland, which means he arrived about 1903, the year after his wife died. Which makes sense. At the time of his death he was living with his daughter Mary in Welsby St, New Farm. So she was obviously who was looking after him in his old age. As I said, they are buried together at Toowong. He would have been about 73 when he came to Queensland, which means he would have been too old to be an assisted passenger (I presume) which makes finding him harder.

Australia / JOHN PETERS emigration from SCOTLAND to AUSTRALIA
« on: Friday 12 August 22 12:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,
I am having trouble identifying when JOHN PETERS came to Australia (probably Queensland) early last century. He was born on 14 Apr 1830 at St Martin (Duning) in Perthshire. He was still in Scotland at the time of the 1891 census. His wife, Margaret Flynn (or Flinn) died in the Parochial Hospital at Dundee on 15 Sep 1902 and we think John then came to Australia where he had a daughter in Brisbane who could look after him (they are buried together at Toowong Cemetery). John died in Brisbane on 15 Sep 1910. I have been trying without success to find his arrival in Australia. The national archives have a John Peters arriving in Fremantle (from Bremen) but that is not him.  I started with the Queensland immigration records but had no success there. It is possible that he came to Australia before his wife died, I suppose, but otherwise he must have emigrated in the period 1902-1910. Any help much appreciated. Geoff Turner.

Thanks, it all helps. Geoff

The undertaker's representative is the informant. No-one is certifying anything. It struck me that if the widow sent his medications with him to the hospital with the ambulance, the doctor could have deduced a cause of death from that. And as you say, there could have been a cause of death certificate (certified by a doctor) given to the undertaker, and he relied on that to inform the BDM registry.
Thanks for all your help. Geoff

Australia / South Australian death certificates - is doctor's certification needed?
« on: Tuesday 09 August 22 01:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi all, I wondered if anyone can help me with a South Australian death certificate from 1980 that I have been given. I am used to seeing a doctor's certification (in NSW). This SA certificate gives cause of death (myocardial infarction, arteriosclerosis, hypertension) but is certified by the undertaker, not a doctor. The background is that the man (a cousin) had a heart attack at home and was dead by the time the ambulance got him to the Flinders Medical Centre. Presumably the cause of death was diagnosed post mortem by the doctors at the hospital, but there is nothing to prove this. Some family members think the death might be suspicious since there was no autopsy and he died on 2 Oct 1980 and was cremated on 4 Oct 1980. He had been twice divorced and the woman listed on the certificate as his widow uses his surname, but I am not sure they ever married. It is possible the third "wife" wanted the cremation done quickly to prevent his earlier families getting to Adelaide from Melbourne for the service. But if there was anything untoward happening, it seems the third "wife" might have coloured the assumptions about the cause of death. To me, with my very limited knowledge of South Australian death certificates, it just seems odd that there is no medically qualified person to support the cause of death. The man was 51 years old, not overweight, not a heavy drinker, although I think he was on blood pressure medication. Thanks, Geoff Turner

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