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I think they married in Germany after the war so the Latvian link might not cover that. But i’ll pursue the naturalisation. I got the dates from the gazette but I’ll investigate the certificates. Thanks.

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Hi all, You have been so useful in the past that I thought I might try you on this one. This couple were in the Schweinfurt Resettlement Camp after the war. They were married on 8 Nov 1948, by implication at Schweinfurt. The displaced persons documents I have found (initially calling Velta "Norkaitiene", using the feminine version of the surname) show they moved to Genoa and then Naples, where they boarded the "Svalbard" and left on 22 Mar 1949, arriving in Melbourne on 20 Apr 1949. I have their dates and places of birth. What I would really like to discover is Velta's maiden name, since she is using her married name in all the documents I have. She was born in Riga on 2 Jul 1928. Would anyone have access to he marriage details showing Velta's maiden name? Thanks, Geoff 

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Australia / Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« on: Saturday 13 January 24 00:27 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Maddie. It is always good to get context. I remember seeing a 2002 movie called “The Magdalene Sisters”, described as: “Three young Irish women struggle to maintain their spirits while they endure dehumanizing abuse as inmates of a Magdalene Sisters Asylum”. The film's script was fictional, but it was based on four testimonies reported in the documentary “Sex in a Cold Climate”.

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I’m letting the Kelly-McCoy question rest for the time being because after making inquiries in the family the strong opinion is that the families were friends but not related.

I am a great supporter of DNA links, though. We found a lot of US cousins that we couldn’t explain, until we discovered that my Irish great grandmother had a sister who emigrated to New York and the US cousins were her descendants. One of them is about to turn 100 and has a good memory of meeting people who are just names to me. She also had a picture of my great grandmother’s sister, which was especially important since we don’t have a picture if my great grandmother.

We also discovered through DNA that we have an indigenous branch in the family. My great grandfather’s brother had a relationship with the daughter of an indigenous female elder which led to the birth of a daughter (neither parent was married). When the daughter married she named my great grandfather’s brother as her father.

That family includes a World War I hero known, according to the Australian War Memorial, as “The Black Prince of Gallipoli”.

It has been great to meet members from that side of the family, who we only discovered through DNA matches.

Geoff

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My query was passed on within the family to Agnes Murphy, who wrote:

As the writer of the McCoy Family Tree I was never able to confirm that the Maria Quinn who married Richard McCoy was related to Ned Kelly although we made an effort to research this. I am sure that further work may prove otherwise
Good luck
Agnes Murphy

I have had several responses from within the family giving examples showing that the O'Connell (or McCoy) and Kelly families were close, but none suggests they were related.

Geoff

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Nice find. Thanks.

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Hi all,

Another query for you, if you would be so kind. Martha Agnes McCoy was born 18 Jan 1846 in Moonee Ponds Vic, the daughter of James McCoy (1817-1894) and Alice Grady (1820-1909). She died in Lockhart NSW on 29 Mar 1918. I am trying to establish whether she was related to Ned Kelly.

I have two reasons for thinking this, but no proof. There is a picture of her taken in 1871 in Ancestry, and the caption on that says she was related to Ned Kelly. And a descendant says her father was told the family was related to Ned Kelly. But both these "facts" might stem from the same error, of course.

Ned Kelly's mother's maiden name was Ellen Quinn, and there are Quinns in the family tree that the descendant is working on.

Any help appreciated.

Geoff

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Australia / Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« on: Wednesday 20 December 23 02:47 GMT (UK)  »
Bridget's marriage certificate 15712/1923, which I ordered on 18 Nov 2023, finally arrived by email this morning. She married at the District Registrar's Office at North Sydney on 24 Nov 1923. She was 21 years old, a tailoress, of North Sydney.

Her mother was May Gray (deceased) and her father was "unknown".

No great revelations here, but I think this (with the 1929 carnal knowledge court case) supports the theory that Bridget was fostered to Emily Barrett at North Sydney after spending the first 12 months of her life at the Benevolent Asylum. Perhaps a one-year-old child was "old enough to leave" the asylum and move into the care of foster parents.

If Sydney Ross of Albion Park was Bridget's father (as noted on the Dependent Child Register) that would suggest his unmarried mother, Ellen A Ross, may have had a liaison with one of the Dowse family from nearby Jamberoo -- possibly Mary Gray's husband Thomas Dowse -- and that is why Dowse DNA is so common among Bridget's descendants.

A possible link between Thomas's wife Mary Gray and Bridget's mother May Gray is a whole new can of worms, and not one I'm willing to open! 

I have forwarded the 1923 marriage certficate to Dorothycourt63.

Thanks for all your help.

Geoff

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Lancashire / Re: The death of WILLIAM CHIPPINDALL in Morecambe Bay in 1765
« on: Friday 08 December 23 07:42 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again. My FindMyPast subscription has expired.

We now have a lithograph of a drawing of Giles (1760-1823) which was among the documents we bought from the Cheshire Archives.

Geoff

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