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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Monday 15 May 06 11:02 BST (UK)  »
The insurance records do not seem to be for anyone who is a known family member and none of the insured was a William.
As far as I know William Arrowsmith was a silk weaver, at least that is what is says on the 1851 census for the William Arrowsmith who is believed to be him. He died 1853.
There is one for a James Arrowsmith a Silk merchant who may be a brother or his father but it's a long shot. I have no information on who his father was or if he had any siblings.
There are a few other wills that may be worth checking when I get the time, maybe in a couple of weeks time.
Regards
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Monday 15 May 06 00:09 BST (UK)  »
Elizabeth Arrowsmith seems to have been quite wealthy leaving over £1400 plus property, etc in 1799. Unfortunately it is left to 4 people Robert Crawford and James Stump (executors) and Ann Judd and nephew Jeremiah Arrowsmith. I'm afraid I don't know of any of them.
As you say lots of Arrowsmith mentions on the A2A but most are the north western Arrowsmiths where the name seems even more common than in London.
Regards
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Sunday 14 May 06 12:59 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Valda, I will take your advice and get going on wills. There do not seem to be many other avenues to explore.
Regards
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Saturday 13 May 06 16:20 BST (UK)  »
The William Jeffryes who suffered the verbal abuse may have been a brother of James. There are a number of Jeffryes who were undertakes in the same area. Suspect all part of the same family but lack the proof.
Regards
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Saturday 13 May 06 16:14 BST (UK)  »
I have seen all of those Arrowsmith births but without knowing who William's parents were, I can't know if they were his siblings or not.
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Saturday 13 May 06 14:23 BST (UK)  »
Have not looked at that will as I have no record of an Elizabeth Arrowsmith, have only looked for wills for know family.
There are an awfull lot of Arrowsmiths out there.
Regards
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Saturday 13 May 06 12:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Valda,
My cousin is going to go to check the Merchant Taylors records in the next couple of weeks. He was going to do so last year but discovered that they were unavailable while they were being moved from Guildhall to LMA while the Guildhall was reorganised, and has just not had time since they became available again.

You suggestion about NC marriages at churches outside of their area of residence does bring in additional possibilities. One is at St Andrew, Holborn between Thomas Jeffryes and Elizabeth Gerwin in 1798.

The missing Jeffryes marriages are Thomas and of his son James (my ancestors). Thomas would have married about 1800 and his son James about 1823.
James married Mary Temperance Arrowsmith (their last 3 children were born after 1837 so we have certificates).
Theirs is the second missing Jeffryes marriage, still no clues as to where that one took place.
James was baptised as an adult in 1839 age 36 at St Matthew BG.  He is a weaver on the baptism records of his early children before 1830, after that he is an Undertaker. Could this have something to do with his baptism?
There are other records that I have found of Jeffryes being baptised as adults and one of them is an undertaker as well.
One of James sons William went on to become a City Missionary and preached on the steps of the Royal Exchange and the main post office.

Both James and Mary Temperance were buried at Abney Park. I do have a copy of the Abney Park burrials index thanks.
They were in the undertaking business and their son James was a co-founder of Manor Park Cemetery.
Thomas also became an Undertaker late in life and may have founded the family business and got his sons involved or it may have been started by his son or sons.
Kelly's directory lists the business but there is no history, just their names and the address.

Unfortunately I do not have an Adam Arrowsmith, but thanks for the info it may link in sometime.

The only deffinate Arrowsmith links I have are Mary Temperance's family she had brothers and sisters (mentioned in her will) but no Temperance mentioned.
Her parents were William Arrowsmith and Sarah (believed to be Sarah Trenell) married in 1798 at St Dunstan, Stepney.
William Arrowsmiths age from census and death cert puts his birth ca 1779 in Shoreditch but we have been unable to find any record of his birth so have no confirmed knowledge of his parents. It would be a real boost to find Williams birth record.
I have been looking for it for about 8 years, there are Arrowsmith descendants who have made a guess as to who he was but when I have challenged them to prove it they can't. So I will wait until I see it for my self, I do this to find out where I come from, not where I would like to have come from.

Regards
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Friday 12 May 06 23:34 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Valda some usefull tips.
As far as I know four of us have been checking churches for the missing Jeffryes marriages and baptisms and another couple of relatives have also been looking for the missing Arrowsmith baptisms for about 6 years.
We have found some of the children baptised in adulthood in various parish Churches these give a birth date and parents names were given, but still their parents marriages are missing.
We have found many burrials at the Abney Park cemetery.
Yes they may have been Anglicans but we have checked all the main parish churches in the area, surely if they were Anglican they would have married in their local parish church.
There is also a persistant family story of being Huguenot, but I have not proved that link, can't get back far enough.
Your suggestion about checking churches away from the area may well be the way forward but it's a big job checking all churches that are not on the IGI, even just those near East London.
It seemed that the only things left to check were the NC churches but they don't seem to be there either, except for one baptism at the Sion Church Mile End New Town in 1800.
Next port of call is going to be the apprenticeship records at the Merchant Taylors as we have heard that a Jeffryes who we suspect may be related was a Freeman. They recorded all family members of Freemen and apprentices.

Regards
Derek

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The Common Room / Re: Non Conformist church records ca 1800
« on: Friday 12 May 06 09:46 BST (UK)  »
Thanks but I have no idea what denomination, understand there were a lot of them in the 18th and 19th centuries.

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