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Derbyshire / Re: What does ND mean?
« on: Monday 05 April 21 14:05 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for posting this information about the definition of ND.

I am researching a man called William Thompson, who on the 1891 census, aged 52 and living in Northampton, is recorded as a Gentleman's Gardener too and I am trying to find out  where he was working.

I believe I may have found William on the 1861 census, working as a house servant at 5, Cavendish Terrace, Clapham, Wandsworth, London & Surrey in the house of John Humphrey who is described as 'Housekeeper'.

In 1881, I believe I have found him again in Northampton at 42, Gt Russell Street, Northampton Priory of St Andrew Aka Town Part, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England (although he is ten years younger than I think he should be). He is recorded as a Gardener (nd) as described here.

William seem to have remained in Northampton after that and on the 1901 census, I have found a William Thompson at 42 Great Russell Street. His occupation aged 62 is given as Market Gardener and his wife Harriet is described as a Greengrocer/Shopkeeper.  In 1911, aged 71, William was working as a Market Gardener too. 

I too am interested in the idea that a man who appears to have been a servant in his 20's, later appeared to have the money to set up as Market Gardener and his wife as a shop keeper.

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Cambridgeshire / Re: A missing Bowers (last seen: Wicken, 1847)
« on: Sunday 21 February 21 21:43 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you. Yes, I believe that Henry may have been married first to Eliza Harris and secondly to Eliza Kezia Ann Bugg. (I am related to the second Eliza).  John Bowers I think had a wife called Elizabeth.

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Cambridgeshire / Re: A missing Bowers (last seen: Wicken, 1847)
« on: Sunday 21 February 21 20:14 GMT (UK)  »
I have Bowers ancestors too.
My great grandmother was Millicent May Bowers. You can read about her and see a photo at
https://a-little-bit-of-this.co.uk/2021/01/16/millicent-may-bowers/.  She was the second wife of my great grandfather Joseph Charles Abram and they had three children, including my grandfather my grandfather Louis Bowers Abram.
She can be found on the 1891 census living at Horringer Road, Bury St Edmunds, with her parents Henry and Eliza and four brothers and sisters.  Aged 17 she can be found at 18 Eastgate Street, Bury St Edmunds, again with Henry and Eliza.  In 1911, she can be found in Woodbridge with her sister.
Looking for Henry, I believe I have found him on the Bury St Edmunds census in 1881, Horningsheath in 1871. I am struggling with 1861, as I believe that Henry's parents were John and Elizabeth or Eliza. I may have located him on the 1851 census, again in Horningsheath but the surname is Bowars not Bowers and because I haven't found the 1851 census, I cannot be sure. Then in 1841, I have located a Henry Bowers, less than one year old, living with an Eliza Bowers and no other family members at Upstreet Green, Great Waldingfield, Sudbury, Suffolk.
I can't quite make out what is going on but maybe the information about my Henry will be useful to you.



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Armed Forces / Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
« on: Thursday 08 October 20 13:47 BST (UK)  »
I read a lot of the responses as Tfo including the question about marriage and children.

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Armed Forces / Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
« on: Thursday 08 October 20 10:54 BST (UK)  »
I saw Mr Goballs too.  :)

I have page three of the document now also - thank you.

Embodied and disembodied are new terms to me. I have just been reading about their meaning at https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/106981-discharged-or-disembodied/ but different people seem to have different ideas on this.

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Armed Forces / Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
« on: Thursday 08 October 20 10:30 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Shaun. i could make out the 'ham' but not the 'Clouts'. And thank you for looking at the employer information too.

Ah, so 'by purchase' means he bout himself out.

I am unable to see the September 1902 note about South Africa.

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Armed Forces / Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
« on: Thursday 08 October 20 09:51 BST (UK)  »
Carole

You are right.  The Jeremiah Maloney I have found late yesterday was born in Leicester, not Northampton, so I think I am now looking at the possibility that Jeremiah and James are the same person.

1901
James Maloney, aged 29, a shoe finisher, boarding at Finedon Street, Burton Latimer, Kettering (although recorded as a widower and born in Grafton Underwood)
Archive reference: RG13
Piece number: 1446
Folio:   81
Page:   39

1911
James Maloney, aged 40, a boot and shoe finisher, boarding at Spencer St Burton Latimer N Kettering, Burton Latimer Northamptonshire, England (recorded as a widower)
Census reference: RG14PN8562 RG78PN443 RD167 SD1 ED4 SN380
RG78 code number: 443
Piece number: 8562

Obviously, I still have the photo of Jeremiah I have been given by my relative. I have been advised that the badge on his turban is that of the Northamptonshire Regiment.  This fits with the army service record details from 1902, between the above two census returns, that I have found for Jeremiah Maloney, service number 6568. 

I have taken another look at this, to see if anything fits with the two census returns above.  I am unable to read the address of residence or the employer name but the age and town of residence are a good fit.  The form seems to indicate this man has served in the military before but I don't understand what Reg by purchase means.

Will keep thinking on this.

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Armed Forces / Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
« on: Wednesday 07 October 20 21:22 BST (UK)  »
And re the death of Jeremiah Maloney, the following information has been shared with me by Julie on Ancestry.

The Market Harbourer Advertiser of 19 December 1922 mentions a Jeremiah Maloney of Burton Latimer being drunk in Market Harborough on 28 November.

The Nottingham Journal of 9 Jan 1928 carries the attached report of his death.

I have attached the report of Jeremiah's death here.

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Armed Forces / Re: Jeremiah Maloney (service number is 6568): Northamptonshire Regiment
« on: Wednesday 07 October 20 21:05 BST (UK)  »
Hello Carole

Thank you for all the information above. I only said to my dad this morning that I wanted to go over the information again as the information about Middlesex and Norah did not seem right.  See foot of message.

Re 1901 and 1911, I have located a Jeremiah MALONEY as being a patient and an elastic weaver on the West Humberstone Municipal Ward, aged 29 born 1872. This could explain why he is not living with Ellen and his children?  It seems to be some sort of institution but I can't gather more than that. I am still drawing a blank with 1911 though. Wondering if he wasn't in the UK at this time?
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0020047503  

Information about elastic web manufacture in Leicester can be found at https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/leics/vol4/pp326-327.

Thank you once again, it is good to have someone to bounce thoughts and ideas off of.

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Jeremiah Cox MOLONEY, born 1871, quarter 2, Northampton
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1871%2F2%2FAZ%2F000478%2F272(Parents William and Ann married in 1869)

1881 census

Jeremiah MALONEY, aged 9 found at 12 Alpha Street, Northampton with parents William and Ann (nee Cox and previously Abram) and brothers Eugene, William and Johnhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1881%2F0007285634

1889

Jeremiah MALONEY married Ellen Frost in Leicester, marriage quarter 4. Ellen was born in Coventry.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FM%2F1889%2F4%2FAZ%2F000219%2F348 

1890

Eva Maud MALONEY, born in Leicester, birth quarter 1. Mothers maiden name is Frost.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1890%2F1%2FAZ%2F000371%2F014

1891 census

Jeremiah MALONEY, aged 19 found boarding at Luther Street, Leicester with wife Ellen (born 1867) and daughter Eva, at the home of William and Sarah Abrams (William was born in Earls Barton, where other Abram ancestors are known to have been born and lived)https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1891%2F0017436803

The following entries are believed to be the children of Jeremiah and Ellen.

1892

Beatrice Alice born in Leicester, birth quarter 2 .https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1892%2F2%2FAZ%2F000379%2F290

1894

Daisy Geraldine born in Leicester, birth quarter 2.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1894%2F2%2FAZ%2F000365%2F236

1895

Daisy Geraldine died in Leicester, death quarter 2.  
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FD%2F1895%2F2%2FAZ%2F000224%2F321

1896

Sidney Thomas Spencer, born in Leicester, birth quarter 3.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FB%2F1896%2F3%2FAZ%2F000376%2F114 
(Lots of additional information about Sidney appears to be available).

1901 census

Ellen MALONEY, aged 34, living at 100 Cranmer Street, Leicester with daughter Maud aged 11, son, Sidney T, aged 4 and parents Thomas and Caroline Frost. Ellen is recorded as married but Jeremiah is not with her and the children.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0020104151  

1901

A Jeremiah MALONEY is recorded as being a patient and an elastic weaver on the West Humberstone Municipal Ward, aged 29 born 1872. Is this my Jeremiah and does it explain why hbe is not living with Ellen and his children?https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1901%2F0020047503 

1911 census
Ellen MALONEY, aged 45, living at 88 Buckingham Street, Leicester with son, Sidney Thomas, aged 14 and mother Caroline Frost. Again, Ellen is recorded as married but Jeremiah is not with her and Thomas.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1911/RG14/19315/0445/2
1928Jeremiah MALONEY died in Leicester aged 57https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD%2FD%2F1928%2F1%2FAZ%2F000668%2F075

1939
Ellen MALONEY, born 19 June 1866, living at 33 Hillary Place, Leicester in the Baker household with widow Eva M (daughter?), Joan and Gerald.  Ellen is now recorded as widowed.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA/R39/6030/6030H/021/25
1942Ellen MALONEY died aged 76, death quarter 4 in Leicester.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=BMD/D/1942/4/AZ/000585/044



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