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Armed Forces / Re: Portrait of an illustrious officer
« on: Monday 06 February 23 22:32 GMT (UK)  »
Assuming the second medal ribbon is correctly identified as the C.I.E. then it is unlikely to be Colonel Anderson. As late as his entry in Who's Who of 1950 he is not recorded as having the C.I.E.

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Armed Forces / Re: Portrait of an illustrious officer
« on: Monday 06 February 23 16:43 GMT (UK)  »
One other thing.

Though you did not ask about the date, you rightly mention the 1911 Coronation/Durbar and 1935 Jubilee medals. The absence of the King George VI Coronation medal (established on 12 May 1937) suggests this portrait might date to around 1935-1936.

Of course it could be that the sitter did not receive the KGVI Coronation medal and/or he died before the date of that award.

Just a thought.

Simon

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Armed Forces / Re: Portrait of an illustrious officer
« on: Monday 06 February 23 16:30 GMT (UK)  »
I see in the London Gazette of 13 Jan 1939 a reference to Hon. Col. T. L. Galloway, T.D. so it could be either of the two senior officers named in the 1938 London Gazette. That said, given neither is named with any post-nominals relating to the Order of the Bath nor the Order of the Indian Empire, that suggests it is neither Lt. Col Galloway nor Lt Col Millar.

It might be that the Glasgow Yeomanry connection is incorrect.

That said, happy to be proven wrong.

Good luck with your research.

Simon

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World War Two / Re: D.S.O. ref Lieutenant Commander in the Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm / RNVR
« on: Wednesday 25 January 23 19:10 GMT (UK)  »
Is this your man ?

From 'The Western Mail' of 11 Apr 1949.

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World War One / Re: Anybody recognise this chap?
« on: Sunday 15 January 23 20:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm not sure if you have forgotten but you posted this query on Mon 17 Jan 22 on this board under the title, "Who is this ? Can you help ?"  The sitter was identified as possibly C G Wickham. It might be better to go back and 'bump' the original query so people can see (and possibly challenge or add to) the input others added at the time.

ATB

Simon

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Armed Forces / Re: Anybody recognise this officer?
« on: Tuesday 10 January 23 00:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, hepburn,

Gen Sir Frederick Horn is an interesting suggestion.

Of note, he and Gen Lysons both had the GCB, Legion d’Honneur, Crimea Medal, Sardinian Crimea Medal and the Turkish Crimea Medal as well as the Order of the Medjidie, 3rd Class. The only difference here, as has been mentioned before, is that Gen Lysons had three Crimea clasps whereas the sitter in the painting (and Gen Horn) has four.

So, could he be the sitter ? Maybe. The one niggle I have here is the first medal in the row - what appears to be the Queen Victoria 1897 Diamond Jubilee Medal with Clasp ‘1897’. If that is correct, then that would exclude Gen Horn as (according to Wikipedia) he died in 1894.

I agree that the two men do not look entirely dissimilar so, if the 1897 Jubilee medal is wrong, you might be correct. That said, you mention the Wikipedia picture might be a ‘younger’ version of him. As he became a GCB in 1889, he was approx. 84 or older when that painting was done of him - so I would think he should look almost exactly similar to the sitter but the resemblance is not what I would call a strong match.

As mentioned before, if we ever get a close-up of the original medals from the original poster that might help resolve this matter.

ATB

Simon

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Armed Forces / Re: Anybody recognise this officer?
« on: Friday 06 January 23 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
Meanwhile …

I was bugged (see earlier post) by the third medal and the Belgian Order of the Crown that a poster thought it could be. The ‘bug’ was the device connecting the medal to the ribbon.

I think what the General has is the French Legion d’Honneur. All credit here to the research of ‘GrafVonEbbell’ for his graphic on Wikipedia for how the design of the award changed over time. Of significance here, from 1852-1870 (the Second Empire) the award was surmounted by a crown. After the establishment of the Third Republic the crown was, understandably, replaced by a wreath. The crimson ribbon remained unchanged. In the portrait there is a rosette on the ribbon indicating this was the award of an ‘Officier’ (i.e. ‘Officer’) of the Order.

So, the sitter in the portrait was awarded his Legion d’Honneur sometime between 1852 and 1870. Presumably in relation to his service in the Crimea (where the French were our allies).

For reference, see:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Legion_d’Honneur_Evolution.png

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_of_Honour

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Armed Forces / Re: Anybody recognise this officer?
« on: Friday 06 January 23 16:24 GMT (UK)  »
If the first medal is the Queen Victoria 1897 Diamond Jubilee Medal (with Clasp '1897') then his medals are not out of order. The London 5 Jan 1888 Gazette Supplement to the 1887 award stated that, "This Medal is ... to be worn ... after the Decorations of Orders, and before War Medals". This precedence of Jubilee, Coronation and Durbar medals was apparently changed in 1918 and published in The London Gazette of 22 April 1921. All credit here to the people who cited the sources in the relevant Wikipedia pages. It might seem strange to us that the precedence was once like this but at one stage the VC had a lower precedence than certain honours.

On the suggestion that the first medal is the 1904/05 Russo/Japanese War Medal, I'm not sure why a British General (or indeed any British Serviceman) would have been granted that medal but a Google search shows that medal had a horizontal bar to attach it to the ribbon whereas the medal in the portrait is suspended by a ring (as well as having a bar of some form).

In the meantime, hopefully the original poster will at some stage take some closer photos of the medals that might include some more detail to allow further research.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Ancestry costs
« on: Friday 06 January 23 16:04 GMT (UK)  »
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