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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help comparing signatures 1799-1812
« on: Wednesday 03 November 21 00:42 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks dobfarm, I am also open to no. 3 being from the same hand. Your comments made me chase other 'd's at the end of names from this period and you're right they are unusual in formation - thanks for pointing this out.

No.3 is actually Thomas Field giving his son - a minor - permission to marry, so right abut the significance of the document. This seemed to contradict the likely age of the witness in nos. 2 and 4 - but now this requires going back to the drawing board.

This help's been very useful - thanks everybody.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help comparing signatures 1799-1812
« on: Tuesday 02 November 21 00:36 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks for pointing out my slip arthurk. It was a slip rather than a typo really as I have been puzzling over how many Thomas Fields are involved, and what age they are. There is an older Thomas alive at this time and I had been debating whether his son was the Thomas of signatures 2 and 4, which is what the records seemed to suggest, or another Thomas with signature 3. I was in the process of reconsidering my original idea as I answered.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help comparing signatures 1799-1812
« on: Monday 01 November 21 17:42 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks a lot, everybody, for your input. I've been learning!

I also thought 2 and 4 were from the same hand. Your comments make the case very clearly. I imagine this Thomas started adding "Junr" to his signature as he became more recognised in the community. Does that sound likely?

@Ruskie, @goldie61, @Zefiro, @arthurk: My concern about no. 3 was the same as yours - the capital letters T and F, and the formation of the 'h' in 'Th[o:s]. Looking at other 'Field' signatures around this time, the final 'd' is often crossed with a similar flourish, so I've concentrated on the capitals. Thanks for the comments on the upward/downward strokes. If this is a different Thomas, I think he could be an older cousin, but possibly educated at the same school. Your comment about the space available is very interesting, arthurk - it comes from a legal document produced in a different setting from a church.

I am not surprised at your conclusions on no. 1 - but is the superscript 's' missing or is it the 'dash' under the word 'nine'? And I agree, he'd be unlikely to incorporate the colon into the signature between 1799 and 1803. He's a mystery man Zefiro! A best guess is he's around the same age in 1799 as the probable signatory in 2 and 4 - mid-twenties - as this signature's from the marriage register. Occupation - again, no clear information (a merchant? a customs official?) but educated. In the early 1800s he was in the same town as the other 'signatures' and could be related to them - although as you can imagine, Thomas Field is a pretty common name.

I'll look at the evidence around no. 3 again and see how he/they fit into the picture. Thanks again for your comments.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help comparing signatures 1799-1812
« on: Monday 01 November 21 00:13 GMT (UK)  »
I'd be grateful for expert eyes to help decide which of these signatures belong to the same Thomas Field - the style is similar but how many Thomases are involved? I've attached them in chronological order.

Thanks for your thoughts!


Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Birth of Harry Jolly
« on: Friday 08 October 21 13:16 BST (UK)  »
Googling 7th Hussars finds them stationed in Norwich from 1905 on their return from the Boer War, so I think this is your man.

Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Birth of Harry Jolly
« on: Friday 08 October 21 12:28 BST (UK)  »
I looked at the 1911 form and wondered if someone else had completed it for Alice (or Harry) to write over, and got some of the information mixed up. Do you know if Alice/Harry could read and write? I agree with you and jonw65 that 'Henry' and 'Corby' can't have come from thin air. The other question for me was their ages on the form (23 and 22), which would make them born late 1880s. What does Alice's birth certificate say, and what does their marriage certificate say about their ages when they got married?

It could also be useful to know if Harry himself claimed the link with Bungay, or whether it's only based on the census information. Does their granddaughter know?

Lincolnshire / Re: Hester Wadkin acquitted of bigamy
« on: Wednesday 06 October 21 01:01 BST (UK)  »
Here's the 1861 census reference for Esther in Grantham:

RG09/2350/19 p32

It's strange that there's no trace of her daughter Eliza - there were so many Wadkins in Barkston I'd expect her to be working there or for there to be a death recorded, but nothing.

It's an interesting story - I agree with you and Graham about John Bescoby, that he could well have spent 1848-50 in America, returned around 1851 and then taken off again. Bescoby is such a 'local' name I doubt the 1848 labourer was Irish. No doubt the news JB was around in 1851 travelled from Burton Pedwardine to Barkston, but maybe no more than that - the villages are quite close but feed into different market towns (Sleaford and Grantham).

Good luck with the Wadkin search - I have millers in my tree who jumped across the Trent a couple of times, so I know the challenges...

Lincolnshire / Re: Hester Wadkin acquitted of bigamy
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 00:11 BST (UK)  »
There is also a notice placed in the Grantham Journal 18 February 1860 by William Taylor saying he will not be answerable for any debts incurred by his wife Esther after this date. Could be connected to the warrant GrahamSimons mentioned.

Lincolnshire / Re: Hester Wadkin acquitted of bigamy
« on: Tuesday 05 October 21 00:02 BST (UK)  »
Could this be Esther in Grantham in 1861?

Esther Taylor, lodger, married, b1826 (age 35) Barkston, Ag Labr's wife.

One of five lodgers at the Jobbers' Arms, 39 Castlegate, Grantham. The publican is a Thomas Taylor born Ancaster (coincidence or not??). There is no sign of Eliza.

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