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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: cause of death in 3year old
« on: Thursday 13 January 22 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
Tabes mesenterica.

According to the Free dictionary it is:
   "a wasting disease of childhood characterized by chronic inflammation of the lymphatic glands of the mesentery, attended with caseous degeneration"

Oh, others have got there first!

I use RootsMagic.
You choose to link to Ancestry, FamilySearch or MyHeritage - or you can (like me!) choose not to link ;)

There is a free version, RootsMagic Essentials, but the full version has greater functionality.
But worth trying Essentials to see how you get on.

After reading another thread on RootsChat a few weeks ago I decided to try RootsMagicEssentials and it suited me - so I was "given" the full version for Christmas. Like KGarrad I don't link to anything and add my own sources (photos of certificates, of gravestones etc. ) as I choose. It's not at all expensive for the complexity it seems to allow - and I'm not a techie by any means but I manage - so far!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can't read the town and country
« on: Saturday 08 January 22 19:08 GMT (UK)  »
I'd say the first word definitely starts with 'Ein..' but can't make out the rest. That word might end in 'gf' which is odd.

Somerset Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for marriage of George maggs and Elisabeth
« on: Friday 31 December 21 14:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Walmer
I'm still trying to get things straight: bear with me.

Your ancestor is a Sarah Maggs, child of a George, right?

The Somerset family (mentioned by Mabel) with a Sarah, daughter of a George is the one in West Harptree baptising (in West Harptree) Ann & Hester in 1815, Thomas in 1817, Sarah in 1820, Mary in 1823 and Maria in 1827.

There is however a Sarah born to a George and Leah baptised in Midsomer Norton in 1809 - this could tie in with the George baptised in Ashwick 1800.

However: The family in West Harptree called their first daughter Ann and their first son Thomas. If their father George is the baptism recorded in 1794 in Midsomer Norton then his parents were Thomas and Ann - a likely naming pattern can be seen.

Do you know for certain that your ancestor Sarah was born in 1820 (and that therefore her father George would seem to have married an Elizabeth). Perhaps you already knew the names of her siblings?

Or could she possibly be the one born eleven years earlier to George and Leah, also in Midsomer Norton?

By the way, I think people travelled a lot more than we think they did. My ancestors were non-conformists in 18th century Somerset and baptised their children, if they could, in presbyterian churches 3 and 5 miles away - rather than in their own village with a potentially absentee Anglican rector/vicar .

Have you found Sarah on a census? Was she married by 1841?

Somerset Lookup Requests / Re: Looking for marriage of George maggs and Elisabeth
« on: Thursday 30 December 21 19:11 GMT (UK)  »

"I was looking in the Parish records for midsomer Norton and there are no George maggs recorded as being born there in the 1780’s but there are 2 born around 1795 in the parish"

But there is a George Maggs baptised at Ashwick in the Presbyterian church in 1780. Father John, a waggoner. On FreeReg. Ashwick is no more than about 10 km from Midsomer Norton. Coiuld this be your George? No time to look for his marriage just at the moment.

The Common Room / Re: Abraham Lessar - Lesar -Leser- Lesser
« on: Thursday 30 December 21 18:05 GMT (UK)  »
I know this thread started some time ago but just to clarify an earlier uncertainty:

The French says:

19th August

By Monsieur Baron, minister of this church, was baptized Paul son of Phillipe Lesere and Marie du Bers residing in Littelhurst (?), ???? parish of Stepney.
For godfather Paul Chabanse and godmother Judith Prevost. The child was born on 17th May.
                    Philippe Lasere (only the surname is his signature) The mark of         
                                                                                                 the godfather.
Baron mini(ster)  X The mark of the godmother.

The dates of birth do seem to be at variance (are you sure they are not two siblings, the elder baby born May of one year having died so parents called the next born August following year Paul too - I can't see any years given).

The minister was certainly a Mr Baron - no nobility involved, very common surname where I live.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: French 1705 Baptism Record - Help, please
« on: Wednesday 29 December 21 11:31 GMT (UK)  »
Hello joger

Just another little addition - regarding a word I have often seen misused and by no means just on this thread:

The French word "curé" was, in 1704, and still is today, the normal word for "parish priest" - the chap with all the responsibility for the religious services etc. at the parish church (the vicar or rector in the Anglican Church) - and nowadays very frequently a group of other parishes as well.
He may have other priests to assist sometimes. These are often referred to as "prêtres auxiliaires" and can be considered equivalent to the English/Anglican Church's "curate".

In the dictionary the English word "curate" is in fact translated as "vicaire" but having lived in France for over thirty years (and a churchgoer) I have only ever heard it used with reference to the "Vicaire Général" of a diocese, the (arch)bishop's administrator (the Vicar General in the Anglican Church).

Just for the record...

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: FRENCH 1705 BAPTISM RECORD - Help, please
« on: Tuesday 28 December 21 18:24 GMT (UK)  »
My take on this (in pre-revolution French):

L'an mil sept cent cinq le vingtième jour du mois de Janvier a esté baptisé par moi curé soubné françois né d'auiourdhuy fils de sylvain baria et de marie berthomier sa femme, son parrein a esté francois hainault et la marreine francoise berthomier qui ont dit ne sçavoir.. (signer - presumably).

The year one thousand seven hundred and five the twentieth day of the month of January was baptised by me, the undersigned priest, François, born today son of Sylvain Baria and Marie Berthomier his wife, his godfather was François Hainault and the godmother Françoise Berthomier who said they did not know how.. (to sign - presumably)

The word after curé (priest) is , I think, the old form of soussigné which contained a 'b' (soubsigné) but is then contracted to 'soubné'.

Unless it is the surname of the priest or even perhaps a first forename of the child!

Hope that helps.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Mourning brooch
« on: Sunday 26 December 21 16:04 GMT (UK)  »
It looks like  J* T 


* or, possibly, I

My thoughts exactly !

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