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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Peter and Martha Ann Tweedy/Tweedie
« on: Sunday 23 August 20 12:42 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, Carole.  I forgot those important bits.

Peter was born 1841 in Spitalfields although sometimes he pretended that he was born in 1839

Martha was born c.1847

They married within the church of St Botolph Bishopsgate in 1865.  Peter calls himself Peter Ross Tweedy from now on.  (Ross was his mother's maiden name)

London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Peter and Martha Ann Tweedy/Tweedie
« on: Sunday 23 August 20 12:18 BST (UK)  »
Good morning,

I've been getting some great help in my search for my Tweedie relatives both in England and Scotland so I wondering if I will be lucky in this request:

Peter Tweedie sometimes known as Peter Ross Tweedy married Martha Ann Mantel in 1865.

I can find them in the 1871 census but then they disappear.

Martha reappears in 1925 under the name Martha Ann Ross Tweedy within the PRO records but I just cannot find either of them in the 1881, 1891 1901 or 1911 censuses.

I have looked and looked but perhaps I have looked so hard I have missed them and they are staring straight at me...

1871 they are living in Mile End New Town
1925 Martha is a widow living at Peckham

I don't think that they had any children.
Peter used to be in the navy but after marriage and in the 1871 census states that he is a tailor (like him father had been).
Martha says she is a tailoress.

Is anyone able to find them?

With kind regards,


Occupation Interests / Re: Flock Dresser
« on: Sunday 23 August 20 10:31 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone for your help.  I really do appreciate it.

I've got a good idea now as to what a flock dresser did.

The family in question were from Scotland.  They migrated to London in the hope of seeking their fortune.  It was a terrible mistake on their part.  The father ended up dead in the workhouse and the mother died in the cholera epidemic in 1854.  Many of the teenage sons turned to crime and ended up in gaol after which they were drafted into the navy.  Of course if they hand't moved to London, their daughter wouldn't have married a London waterman and down the line I would not have been born, but their life is a sad tale of dashed hopes.

That website about Spitalfields silk is a good one as another group of my ancestors were silk weavers in the early day and their claim to the fame was assisting in the preparation of silk for Queen Victoria's wedding dress and I see that is mentioned in the article.



Occupation Interests / Flock Dresser
« on: Sunday 23 August 20 05:17 BST (UK)  »
Good morning, friends,

I'm trying to find out what a Journeyman Flock Dresser did.

This is the title given to a relative in the 1851 census for Spitalfields.

My 1886 dictionary tells me that a journeyman was often someone hired to work 'by the day'

The dictionary also tells me that the word 'flock' was used to describe the discarded bits of wool and cotton at the mill but while this possibly puts the occupation into some sort of context, it still doesn't really tell me what a flock dresser did.

The chap who had this job was aged twenty...

Is anyone able to help me out with this question?

With kind regards,


Ross & Cromarty / Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« on: Sunday 23 August 20 04:36 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both for those pieces of information.  It helps me put things in to a much better context.

Skoosh, that information on the Ness seems so logical when the information is there.  That has helped me a lot.

Forfarian, I would never have found Peter Tweedie in 1861 if not for you.  If ever you come across those racketty boys and their sister in other census returns do let me know.  I always did wonder if after their mother died they began to drift back to Scotland.

With kindest regards,


Ross & Cromarty / Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« on: Saturday 22 August 20 12:00 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Skoosh.  That an interesting possibility and upon reflection does make sense.

Thank you Forfarian.  Yes I was reading that about part of Alnes being the parish of Rosskeen although I have to say that the record does read 'at the ness'.  I have attached some examples from the register page as there were a lot of babies born 'at the Ness'. 

Ann Blyth Tweedie (also known as Margaret Ann Blyth Tweedie) is my direct ancestor.  The other children were
David (born c.1830)
Of him I know only the information I got from the 1841 and 1851 census

James (b.1833)
The subject of this message.  He married in 1853 and then disappears

John (born c.1836)
He died 1856 in Morocco.

and Janet (born c.1838).
Of her I know only the information I got from the 1841 and 1851 census

Then after they left Scotland for London there was

Peter (Also known as Peter Ross) born 1841
Only known from information in the 1851 and 1871 census.  Then he disappears although his wife died in 1925.

William (born c.1842)
Only known from the 1851 census

and Isabella (1847-1848)

The brothers were a racketty lot in their youth, often in trouble with the law  James, John, and Peter were all put into the navy after spending time in jail for various thefts in the 1840s and 1850s.

The problem for me is that James Senior died in 1851 (just prior to the 1851 census), his wife Isabella died of the cholera in 1854 and after that all is fractured and I only know about my own line.

With kind regards,


Ross & Cromarty / Re: Tweedie at Rosskeen
« on: Saturday 22 August 20 03:38 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Don.

Alness makes sense so I'm glad you agree.

Thanks also for putting me right on the way the records were prepared.  I appreciate that.

As an aside: Yes James was a pensioner of the Lord Clive (East India Company) Fund.  He had spent a lot of time on the Isle of St Helena and the family legend is that he met Napoleon which could well be so given that they were there at he same time...  :)

With kind regards,


Ross & Cromarty / Tweedie at Rosskeen
« on: Friday 21 August 20 23:41 BST (UK)  »
Good morning,

During the 1830s, my Tweedie ancestors lived near to Rosskeen.

Although they had more children, I have only been able to find one baptism: James Tweedie in 1833.

The priest of Rosskeen has written that the family lived 'at the Ness' (if I am reading it correctly) but I am not sure what this means.  Is it another name for nearby Alness?  Or does it mean that they live close to the water?

Is any one able to help me out with these?

With kind regards,


Ross & Cromarty / Re: Ross and McKinnon
« on: Friday 21 August 20 23:08 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Skoosh.  I have had a look but my people are just so elusive! ;)

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