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Great work Spidermonkey.

I checked the 1859 marriage certificate Elizabeth Stewart - David Dunn marriage certificate.

Attaching it:

Parents are listed as John Stewart and Christina Stewart - not sure of the maiden name,  Frazer maybe ?

The Alexander Phimister is a great find. I had no success searching for Hogg/Phimister.

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Baptisms
John Knox Church (presbyterian), Newcastle upon Tyne
John & Jane

William Waldie Hogg
born 26th November 1878 (transcription only, says 1879)
baptised 4th February 1879

Mary Elizabeth Stewart Hogg
born 10th December 1880 (says 1881)
baptised 18th January 1881

Jane Alexandra Phimisterda Hogg
born 17th February 1882
baptised 5th November 1882

Thinking about Scottish naming patterns - Elizabeth Stewart was Jean's mum's maiden name, so was Alexandra Phimister John's mum's maiden name?

Itís quite a trail they have left behind. 

Thatís a very good suggestion. If I can find a Hogg + Phimister marriage then that maybe eliminates this muddle from my tree.  Alexandra Phimister should be easier to find than John/Willam Hogg. Iíll do some searching for a William Hogg Alexandra Phimister and see what I find.

The main thing that connects them to my tree is the middle name Waldie and the age. Waldie is also a very common name.

Thinking over some of things you found.

(Marriage notice in Edinburgh Evening News 2 Sept 1905)
George R Brown and Mary Elizabeth Stewart Davidson eldest daughter of the late William Davidson, church missionary and Mrs Ayre, 388 Morningside Road, Edinburgh


Again here, the father is named William Davidson in the announcement. I wonder if Jeanie had another marriage after John Hogg but before John Ayre? Another Davidson. Or if John (William) took his wifeís name.

From Newcastle Evening Chronicle 23 July 1942
Death of Ex-missionary

Mr John W Hogg (74) a former Baptist missionary and native of South Shields has died at Chester after a long illness.  Ordained as a Baptist minister about 50 years ago he took up missionary duties and worked abroad for 15 years.


Iím also still wondering about this John W Hogg. I do wonder if there is a connection or if it is coincidental - most likely the latter. If the article is correct, then John W would have been born Abt. 1868 and started his missionary work in his twenties.

All still very puzzling.

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Thank you. Iíve been working through all the information, made up a tree and now have a better understanding. My brain works better visually and it helps me to figure out the connections. Iím still struggling with all these names.

I purchased the Mary Elizabeth Stewart Hogg/Davidson 1905 marriage certificate to George Robertson Brown. It records Mary Davidson 388 Morningside Road, domestic servant, spinster, father William Davidson -Church missionary (deceased) mother Jean Davidson ms Stewart. Witnesses William Davidson and Jean S Ayre.

The fact her father is listed as William and not John here really makes me wonder if the Linton John Hogg could really be the father.

Iíve not found Jean Ayre/Davidson/Hogg death certificate on Sp yet. Itís not the Jane Ayre 1924 Morningside one which seemed like the most likely.

Thanks again.

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My goodness. A lot of information, a lot to work out.

Thank you so much for your help.

I do still wonder about the New York John. Perhaps that's what John was up to when he was doing his missionary duties.   

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I have splashed out on a marriage cert from Scotland's People......


Perhaps this is pure coincidence, but there is a marriage between a George R Brown and Mary Elizabeth Stewart Davidson eldest daughter of the late William Davidson, church missionary and Mrs Ayre, 388 Morningside Road, Edinburgh
(Marriage notice in Edinburgh Evening News 2 Sept 1905)


I thought I would check out the marriage between Mary's mum and Mr Ayre and it makes for quite interesting reading!

6th Feb 1896 at 284 Morningside Road, Edinburgh
John A Ayre (insurance clerk, bachelor, 38) to J S Davidson or Hogg (widow, 36)

Jeanie Stewart Davidson or Hogg gives her parents names as David Davidson, annuitant, deceased and Elizabeth Davidson, subsequently Dunn, m.s. Stewart

So we have a date by which John Hogg should be dead.........

And thank you for generously splashing out. Very helpful.

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I'm going to have to read this a few times - I'm confused. I need to draw a tree and figure this out.

The location is also interesting. Morningside is where a lot of my family lived.

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Baptisms
John Knox Church (presbyterian), Newcastle upon Tyne
John & Jane

William Waldie Hogg
born 26th November 1878 (transcription only, says 1879)
baptised 4th February 1879

Mary Elizabeth Stewart Hogg
born 10th December 1880 (says 1881)
baptised 18th January 1881

Jane Alexandra Phimisterda Hogg
born 17th February 1882
baptised 5th November 1882

Thank you. The first names do tie in, the Alexandra Phimisterda is a mystery.

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Does this Hogg belong to you?

From Newcastle Evening Chronicle 23 July 1942
Death of Ex-missionary

Mr John W Hogg (74) a former Baptist missionary and native of South Shields has died at Chester after a long illness.  Ordained as a Baptist minister about 50 years ago he took up missionary duties and worked abroad for 15 years.

The missionary aspect is interesting. The majority of my Roxburgh Hoggís were agricultural labourers but I did explore a possible link to the Reverend Robert Hogg of Roxburgh, though William Hoggís (1809) father Andrew.

Link to that discussion. https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748739.18

I couldnít connect the dots here but I couldnít discount this Andrew Hogg either.


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Gosh, this is an absolute pickle isn't it!

John and Jeannie appear to have 2, perhaps 3 children.

William Waldie Hogg - 1878
Mary Elizabeth Stewart Hogg - 1880
Jane Hogg - 1882

(can't find any middle names for Jane, which makes her look different to the other two).

Perhaps this is pure coincidence, but there is a marriage between a George R Brown and Mary Elizabeth Stewart Davidson eldest daughter of the later William Davidson, church missionary and Mrs Ayre, 388 Morningside Road, Edinburgh
(Marriage notice in Edinburgh Evening News 2 Sept 1905)

Have I just got Davidson missionaries on the brain now?????

That is quite interesting. I still am confused about the name change - William Waldie Hogg to William Waldie Davidson.  I think this may have gotten really muddled.

There is a William Waldie Davidson who died in 1824 in Bristol

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CC5F-JHT2


So there is a William Waldie Davidson connection to the area, named for the father's father would tie in here.

This is the marriage of Jean Stewart Davidson - to an Edward Bupps Jarvis the fatherís name Kester Buppe Jarvis is fabulous. Really just sharing for the name.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CD8S-KB2M

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