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Thanks. I have been slowly going through the Kirks Sessions hoping to find a clue to my family.

The boat house is mentioned a couple of times - the Hogg’s spirit dealing perhaps meant the boat house was a place that loosened inhibitions. I’m sure I read of boys fighting and drunkenness but I didn’t note down the entries and I can’t find them now.

I did note down the irregular marriage of Thomas and Agnes:

Roxburgh kirk session, Minutes (1843-1873), CH2/314/4

Image 23

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/virtual-volumes/volume-images?image=23&volume=CH2/314/4&volume_info=Roxburgh%20kirk%20session&volume_short_desc=Minutes%20%281843-1873%29%0D%0A&record_id=5617&rex_uid=REX00331&related_places=GAZ00961&placename=Roxburgh

21st November 1847 - Kirk Session compeared Thomas Hogg and Agnes Laidlaw for their irregular marriage at Coldstream Friday last.

So they weren’t married very long before Agnes died. Just over 3 years.


I also noted some of the other names:

Image 27 - 14th November 1848
Thomas Yeoman and Elizabeth Hogg - irregular marriage - produced a certificate of marriage dated 17th Aug 1848

Image 47 - 7th October 1855
William Sawyers and Elizabeth Hogg  - anti-nuptial fornication

Image 49 - 1856
Andrew Millar - Grace Laidlaw - fornication

Image 61 - 3rd April 1859
Betty Leggat fornication with John Lang Blacksmith 



As for my family, I found the irregular marriage entires of both my 5x and 6x ggf and the death certificate of Elisabeth (Betty) Davidson. The entry for Elisabeth I’d made an assumption about in my first post was wrong. She was actually born 20th October, 1782 in Kelso, the daughter of William Davidson and Elisabeth Redpath and died 27th May, 1860.

I found out she had and irregular marriage with Andrew Hogg dated Coldstream October 3rd 1808 and 8 months and 17 days later their son William was born.

This cast doubts on the Andrew (whose baptism is noted in my first post - born to Andrew and Elspeth in Jedburgh 1776) as being the father to my Andrew. The Elspeth fits - Andrew and Elizabeth were clearly following a naming pattern evidenced by them naming their daughters Elizabeth and Elspeth - but the first born is named William and I would expect it to be Andrew.

I have very little firm information on Andrew, he’s still a mystery. I have found him twice in the Kelso Kirk Sessions:

Kelso kirk session, Minutes (1800-1833), CH2/1173/19

The first - Image Number 157 - 1809
Is the irregular marriage of Andrew Hogg and Elisabeth Davidson. “having paid double fees they were declared married persons in presence of the session.”

Is that unusual to pay double?

The second is a bit more intriguing:

Image Number 159 - 1809
Andrew Hogg -  where he stated the case of Anne Dickson. I do wonder why he is stating the case and how unusual this is.

“Anne Dickson a single person who being interrogated deponed that on the 16th Dec last she brought forth a child of which child she declares William Johnston Woodkeeper at Fleurs to be the father.”

Anne and the child she brought forth is also a mystery. I was hoping I could find a clue here but so far I haven’t been able to crack who she and her child are.

There is a Wiliam Hogg and Bettie Dickson ( I noted in a list of communicants an Elspeth Dickson but can't be sure it's the same person) who have two recorded children Bettie b.1743 and Alexander b.1745. I do wonder IF Bettie had an illegitimate son around 1775, and it is a concealed illegitmacy eg raised by the grandparents then the naming conventions would fit. It might explain why Andrew is sympathetic to the case of Anne Dickson. But really this is just a theory.

My next step is to try one of the DNA tests and see where that takes me.

Cheers.

Mary Waldie

In 1861 William and Mary were living in Kersmains.

I know William’s parents were Andrew Hogg and Elizabeth Davidson. The Andrew is a bit of a mystery. I’ve been exploring other Hogg’s in the area to see where he could maybe fit in and focusing on the areas I know they lived.

One candidate is Alexander’s son Andrew who was born January 1785 at Kersmains. Elizabeth (Betty) Davidson was born October 1782.

The names of William’s and his sister Elizabeth’s children do contain an Isabel, Alexander and Robert - but so do most of the families at that time! Alexander’s Andrew died in 1838 which fits in with my line.

I don’t think this Andrew is the right one but I did spend some time exploring the possibility. I haven’t eliminated him completely but my Andrew is described as a Farm Steward and Land Steward on the death certificates of William and Elizabeth and Alexander’s Andrew was tenant at Birgham Haugh,  I also have his will (well the inventory) and only his brother is named.

That’s amazing Lesley. Thank you so much for the photos. Wonderful to see.

Homebank is next to Birgham, yes.

That would certainly be my interpretation of “in the 78th year of his age” but I always have to pause and think for a moment.

The family seem to be connected to Elwartlaw next to Greenlaw, Homebank near Birgham and Kersmains north of Roxburgh. I see from Scotlands Places the family were paying horse tax and also Alexander paid Clock and Watch tax at Homebank in 1797-1798.

Thanks again for the photos, it certainly adds weight to the Fasti being incorrect on the date of death.

Reviving this old thread.

The previous links are broken now so here is a current link to the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae.

https://archive.org/details/fastiecclesisc02scot/page/86/mode/2up?q=hog


I have been looking at Robert Hogg’s son Alexander and I think the Fasti may be wrong with the date of death. I would love to hear other peoples thoughts on this.

I am looking at this Alexander buried in Roxburgh:

Sacred to the memory of ALEXANDER HOGG formerly tenant in
Homebank who died 30.8.1823 in the 78th year of his age and ISABELLA
YOUNG his spouse died 2.5.1819 aged 70 years also ARCHIBALD HOGG
their son died 28.12.1802 aged 14 years also ANDREW HOGG who died
in infancy also ELISABETH HOGG their daughter died 25.9.1832 aged 55
years also ROBERT HOGG their son died 15.10.1833 aged 62 years also
ANDREW HOGG their son died at Birgam 9.3.1838 aged 17 years also
HELEN HOGG their daughter died at Elwartlaw 5.6.1847 aged 61 years
also MARY HOGG their daughter died 9.9.1848 aged 72 years also
ALEXANDER HOGG their fourth son who died at Elwartlaw 26.1.1851
aged 70 years.
Reverse: Also in memory of JOHN HOGG son of the said parents who
died at Elwartlaw 3.3.1858 aged 75 years and ISABELLA HOGG who
died at Greenlaw 20.6.1863 aged 68 years.


Alexander Hog and Isabella Young had the following children.

Robert - Kersmains 22/06/1771
William - Kersmains 20/02/1773
Mary - Kersmains 31/03/1775
Betty - Kersmains 22/12/1776
Alexander - Kersmains 04/11/1778
Alexander - Kersmains 21/10/1780
John - Kersmains 26/02/1783
Andrew - Kersmains 05/01/1785
Archibald - Kersmains 13/10/1788
Isabel - Kersmains 15/11/1795
Christian - Kersmains 23/08/1802

I think the last two are probably not Alexander’s and likely concealed illegitimacy of either Mary or Betty or both but anyway.
The reasons I am thinking Rev Robert Hogg may be this Alexander’s father is Alexander’s children mostly died in Berwickshire but were buried in Roxburgh, this suggests a family connection to me and the names of his children. His first son is named Robert, his first daughter Mary. The pattern is slightly out from the traditional naming convention but Alexander Hog and Bessie Mein (Robert’s parents) followed the same pattern when naming their children.

Questions for people who know the graveyard well. How close are the gravestones, is this in the same area as Rev Robert Hogg and his father Alexander? Is this a family plot? Is there another Alexander Hogg buried in Roxburgh that ties-in with the Fasti date of 1774? And finally, how likely is the Fasti to be wrong? Was there a revised edition with corrections?

Many thanks for your help and for the work previously on this thread.