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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Cornwall and Devon DNA
« on: Saturday 08 April 23 15:38 BST (UK)  »
Brigid, I'm currently away from home with a terrible wifi signal, but here goes...

Ancestry communities are derived solely from ancestors locations in the trees of DNA matches, in a similar way to Thrulines hints. So they have nothing to do with a direct analysis of your or their DNA as such.

Hence the reason that I and my brother belong to a number of USA communities, when we have no direct ancestral connections to the US at all. But our maternal GGF had several children by another partner before marrying our GGM. They all emigrated from the north of England to the US and we have numerous half cousin matches at varying distances with their descendants.

So Ancestry think we have US origins ???

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Help!!!
« on: Saturday 18 March 23 09:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Everyone!

Can I ask, when having uploaded DNA to My Heritage? Is there any way to then link a DNA match to someone in my tree as the DNA match is predicting a different relationship than the person actually has and I wanted to amend that. Is that possible because I can't seem to find a button or link that I can click to do match the two and change the relationship.

Any help is very appreciated!!

Sorry, I can't help with that, but my own preference is to keep an offline tree as I find the various online trees provided by the likes of MH, Ancestry and FindMyPast etc. are too restrictive and simplistic/difficult to navigate, for my needs.

I use Family Historian, and periodically upload a stripped Gedcom from the program to the onl;ine sites just to take advantage of the hints, DNA and smart matches. Family Historian is very powerful, but comes with a steep learning curve. But for instance with DNA matches, it is possible to run queries and create lists of all shared matches to the same MRCAs, their relationships and cM match lengths etc.

I could never rely solely on an online tree from the above sites. It would drive me mad and greatly inhibit my research.

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The Common Room / Re: Find My Past
« on: Friday 17 March 23 09:38 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, I was having to repeatedly log in, even when opening another tab in Chrome, when already logged in to FindMyPast in an existing tab. I did notice yesterday evening that it seemed to have stopped. Will see how things progress today.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Help!!!
« on: Thursday 16 March 23 16:31 GMT (UK)  »
Don't take other people's trees at face value. You need to rigorously investigate them to verify the information they contain with the same level of certainty that you have presumably applied to your own. People make genuine and honest mistakes. They make assumptions. Some also copy other peoples' trees or branches thereof in bulk without checking and verifying the information they add to their own trees.

Two people with the same name at a location where you might reasonably expect a common ancestor could suggest that one or the other of you might have made a misidentification. I've just spent a few hours looking at a My Heritage smart match I was notified about this morning. The other tree owner's family goes back to a man with the same name as my Gx3 GF, and he is shown as the husband of my Gx3 GM, but he was born 2 years earlier than my Gx3 GF, to different parents. I have been checking my tree and doing my own research on the associated people in the "matching" tree this morning, with an open mind. But the evidence I already have, including numerous DNA matches, and the information I have found in parish registers, censuses and other records for the family line of the namesake in the other tree have confirmed to me that the owner has misidentified the man - one of three men including my Gx3 GF having the exact same name and born within 6 years of each other in two adjoining villages.

DNA match lengths can vary greatly for most relationships. The Shared cM probability tool at DNApainter.com illustrates the range of match lengths that can apply to different relationships. All that sites such as Ancestry are doing when they say that a match is 2nd cousin, 3rd cousin or whatever are giving you a hint as to the most probably relationship between you based on the length of the match. But it is a hint, often the most likely of a number of possible ways in which two peole with the same length of match could be related, as the DNA Painter tool will show you if you enter the cM length into it and look at the results. The other relationship possibilities are just as valid, and whilst the most probable relationship makes it the most likely match, it doesn't follow that it will necessarily be the correct relationship for your match. Certain percentages of relationships at the same match length have to fall within the other probabilities, or they wouldn't exist!

So with every match you look at, it can be a slow and often painful process to work out the actual relationship. I am usually prepared to accept that my match probably knows the names and probably the year and place of birth of their own parents, perhaps even some or all of the same information for their grandparents. Armed with that information, if they are in the UK, you can usually start recreating and verifying their tree for yourself, in the same way that you would do, or have done, with your own ancestors.

I'm not suggesting that every or even most trees on Ancestry, FindMyPast etc. are wrong. There are a lot of good, well researched trees. but by verifying them - doing the research independently for yourself - you will confirm which are the good ones, and find the mistakes in others. If you don't, at some point sooner or later, you will get your fingers burned and you may not realise it until you have spent many more hours on research of your own before realising that you have gone down a wriong alley, need to unpick it all and start again.

It is also well worth researching your own tree to be as wide and deep as possible, certainly from the 1841 census and forward to as near the present as possible. So by that I mean researching the siblings of your grandparents, GGPs, Gx3GPs etc., their marriages, spouses and children, bringing each line forward to the present. With relatively high matches such as those you are dealing with, it is often then very quickly apparent how they fit with your family, as you will; find that you will often already have some of their ancestors already in your tree, their lineages confirmed.

I hope that all makes sense. DNA tests and matches give you information that can lead you towards certain probabilities, but other than parent and sibling relationships, they show you possibilities that can be filtered by degrees of probability to greater or lesser likelihoods of particular relationships, but you need to follow the paper trail through normal historic records to verify which is correct and confirm the match.

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The Common Room / Re: Help Identifying Hometown in Norfolkshire
« on: Wednesday 15 March 23 09:04 GMT (UK)  »
Possibly Scoulton. Whwn I have similar issues, I always resort to Genuki as a first port of call. On each county page, there is a link to a list of towns and parishes for the county:

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NFK/indexpars

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So how many others didn't bother with the expense of a divorce and either lied or assumed they were free to remarry??
Quite a number of my ancestors, including two sets of my GG parents, one of them at least three times out of his six marriages!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Viewing trees on MyHeritage
« on: Monday 06 March 23 10:50 GMT (UK)  »
View Tree opens in Pedigree View for me, with only a few individuals. Change to Family View in the top tree menu, which opens a top down tree view with more people and links to expand the branches.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: how to know the "unknown"
« on: Sunday 05 March 23 10:43 GMT (UK)  »
thanks for the replies and contributions

it's all getting too technical for my heat-waved brain!

Buy yourself a copy of Tracing Your Ancestors Using DNA, edited by Graham S. Holton. It is an excellent and comprehensive book, which starts with the DNA basics for beginners and can be used as a reference in various other chapters as, when or if you need to progress to the more complex concepts and research they involve.

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The Common Room / Re: New My Heritage possible relationships feature issue
« on: Friday 03 March 23 09:11 GMT (UK)  »
I’m not sure which “new feature” you are referring to, but I think Phil has just about covered it. MH have  “cM Explainer” which I think is fairly new. You will find it under Tools.

Ruskie, when you go to Review DNA Match, I believe the OP is referring to the table that now appears, named "Possible Relationships NEW". At the bottom of the table there is a link to "Show more relationships plus diagram" which opens a chart with the option to show probabilities for the MRCA.

Another new feature, basically a reworking of the DNA Painter type presentation.

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