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Caernarvonshire Lookup Requests / Re: THOMAS & JANE WILLIAMS burials 1861+
« on: Monday 09 July 18 22:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi Im looking for a John Thomas Roberts who migrated to Australia in 1854. I believe what I read on this chat about your search for Thomas and Jane Williams and I believe that Jane is John Thomas's mother as JT was born in 1818. Could this be right?

Hello Ron
Regrettably my Jane does not appear to be any relation to your Jane. 

As far as I can figure out my Jane was baptized in 1790, daughter of William MORRIS.  Her first marriage as Jane MORRIS, daughter of William MORRIS, took place in 1808 to a John ROBERTS.  The children of this marriage all took the surname JONES patronymically upon marriage, including my 2nd x great grandfather. 

Jane's second marriage as Jane WILLIAMS, daughter of William MORRIS, took place in 1838 to a Thomas WILLIAMS.  It doesn't appear that there were any children from this marriage.   

Sorry I can't be more help.

Denbighshire / Re: Denbighshire Archives Reference No.
« on: Saturday 27 February 16 15:46 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you to JGDavies and ScouseBoy for the advice.     I have tried searching the reference of the Denbighshire site but it just leads to more tantalizing clues to another document ref and someone called Piers Ap Robert Ap Harry Ap David Ap Howell!  Curiouser and curiouser.  I will try emailing the archivist.  I'm in Canada so not much hope of dropping by!!

Denbighshire / Denbighshire Archives Reference No.
« on: Saturday 27 February 16 00:25 GMT (UK)  »
I've come across a reference in the Archives to a 1605 document DD/WY/807 regarding a Hugh Salesbury and Bodyngharad.   Does anyone know if it is possible to learn from the reference number what type of document this might be?   

Any help appreciated.

Denbighshire / Re: Ruthin Road Cemetery Wrexham
« on: Sunday 22 November 15 06:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hello wilcoxon

I have a copy of the book.  There are no "INCE" names listed in the index.


Caernarvonshire / Re: Pubs and chapels in Bethesda
« on: Thursday 10 September 15 00:40 BST (UK)  »
Going off your description and looking at Google Earth,was it this(Capel Jerusalem?)

Thank you for positing the image Roger.  The facade looks vaguely familiar but it was a very long time ago ;)


Caernarvonshire / Re: Pubs and chapels in Bethesda
« on: Wednesday 09 September 15 08:04 BST (UK)  »
In the sixties and seventies, my uncle Arfon and auntie May lived over their shop in Ogwen Terrace just opposite the war memorial.   There was a very imposing looking chapel opposite but I can't remember its name.  They had a long narrow garden backing on to the river Ogwen.    I loved the sound of the river at night after the A5 traffic died down!

Denbighshire / Re: Foulks Bapt ?
« on: Wednesday 12 August 15 06:53 BST (UK)  »

My 4xG grandparents Thomas Carrington (1756-1827) and Jane Foulkes (1759-1847) were the parents of Anne Carrington.   Anne was baptised at Llanarmon-yn-Ial, Denbighshire in 1802.  My connection was one of her older brothers John Carrington (b1795) 

Thomas died in 1827 but Jane lived on until 1847.   Jane does appear on the 1841 census of Llandegla, living with another son, Aaron and his family.    Thomas left a will, available on the NLW site - SA\1828.  He left daughter Ann(e) ten pounds - possibly she was still single in 1827.  Anne's older sisters were already married.  Alice (1794-1876) married a David Cadwaladr and Ellinor (Ellen - 1791-1855) married a William Hooson in 1820. 

Have you tried the Minera history site for information on Anne's marriage to John Williams?

Hope this helps

Caernarvonshire / Re: Household in Lodgings at Bangor
« on: Tuesday 04 August 15 16:07 BST (UK)  »
You are very welcome sallyyorks :)    These new leads should help you on your way further back. 

It's been a few years since researching my lead mining families in North Wales of Denbighshire and Flintshire.  I got lucky by finding a link back to Youlgreave, Derbyshire so a lot more fell into place for the families I was searching for.   

I hesitated a few months ago when it came to clear out the printed books but now I'm glad I kept them   ;)

All the best

Caernarvonshire / Re: Household in Lodgings at Bangor
« on: Monday 03 August 15 00:30 BST (UK)  »
In the Llanarmon-yn-Ial parish register transcripts published by the Clwyd FHS, there is a marriage in 1801 between Robert SMITH and Sarah SIMON.

Also a Llanarmon-yn-Ial burial for a Robert SMITH, age 58 in 1834.   

In 1776 there is a baptism at Llanarmon yn Ial for a Robert SMITH, s/o Thomas and Rose.

I checked for a baptism for Sarah SIMON at Llanarmon but it is not appear to be recorded at that location.

Upon checking the Mold baptisms, there is one for a Sarah SIMON in early 1785, d/o John (miner) and Mary.

Many of the lead mining families migrated from Derbyshire to Flintshire then Denbighshire during the early to mid 18th century, hence the proliferation of "English" surnames in the registers!

Hope this helps

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