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Ireland / Re: Surname Lane - Was It A Common Irish RC Name In The Early 1800s?
« on: Friday 29 September 17 16:51 BST (UK)  »
I have distant cousins who were Maclaine and took the Mc Off in the 1700s, probably because they were in a predominantly English area and attempting to assimilate/anglicize. So there are definitely Lanes out there who may have been OLeighin (native Irish) from the south or  MacLane from the north (either settler or gallowglass origin).   I would explore every possibility and not assume anything.

Cavan / Re: Carnmaclean, Templeport
« on: Friday 08 September 17 17:37 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone!  That templeport development site on had some of tullyhaws hearth rolls from 1663.  On Cortillan townland there are 2 farmers:

John McClayn & Henry Magawran.

Very interesting since the McGoverns are my closest DNA matches, it is solidifying that my ancestors were kin to the people here.  Now if I could only find the rest of the countys hearth rolls online.  It seems they were printed in the Breifne journal in the 50s but there are no reprints left.

Thanks again!

Ireland / Irish soldiers in the 17th C. What records remain?
« on: Thursday 07 September 17 16:21 BST (UK)  »
Hello all, I wasnt sure where exactly to place this question so I picked Ireland general.

Ive possibly made a connection for my ancestors in Dublin city in the early 1700s to a St. Johns parish burial record from 1683.

16 Nov 1683 The burial of Daniel McCleane, soldier in Capt. Morrison s Co.

On further investigation, I found this was a soldier under Capt. Richard Morrison, of the Kings Regt of Guards which was a 1200-man regiment quartered in Dublin under the Restoration Army of Charles II.

Im wondering if there are any muster lists, pay records, etc for the military in this time period.     

Cavan / Carnmaclean, Templeport
« on: Sunday 03 September 17 03:34 BST (UK)  »
This is a real long shot but I'm looking for some history about this area.  My ancestors were Macleans and for years I saw I had distant DNA matches with mcGoverns, Fords and Fannings. After a lot of research, I found that all three of those surnames arose on the Cavan/Leitrim border, specifically Tullyhaw, Cavan and Inishmacsaint, Leitrim. Looking at townlands I saw there is a "carnmaclean" in Templeport. Im drawing the conclusion that either the Magauran chiefs or O'Ruairc chiefs had Maclean Gallowglass (mercenaries) sometime pre-1600 and they assimilated. It would explain my relation to the area. 

Anyway I cant really find much on the older history of the parish/townland and I know nothing about genealogy resources for Cavan so I'm looking for someone to fill me in if there's info out there.

Scotland / MacAilean or MacGillean ? Help with surname origin
« on: Sunday 25 September 16 16:02 BST (UK)  »
Hello everyone, this has been nagging at me a bit the past year or so and I thought I'd come ask rootschat since I'm not familiar with certain area dialects.  My ancestors were McLains and while digging further and further back over the years I found more an more variants leaning toward a different pronunciation. In the early 1700s I find a few "McClene" "McKalline" transcriptions in ireland but as I get back to circa 1600 and beyond in Dumfriesshire the majority of the name spellings seem like the name is pronounced "Mac-a-leen" or "Muck-Lee-in". I was wondering if this was just a galwegian dialect for MacGillean or did the surname in fact come from a MacAilean (Mac-ay-leen) and not a MacGillean (Mac-il-ayn).  I'm going to go ahead and go through all my records and list the surname spellings that seem to indicate a different pronunciation. I will only list those which I know are my line and their immediate family as to not confuse with other people in the area with a similar name. FYI the family was in Nithsdale/Dumfries probably earlier than 1400 and my line came to Ulster in the 1620s. 

1546:  John M'ileyne, Sir Thos Mackileyne
1547:  John M'Gellane
1549:  John M'Clein
1556:  Gilbert M'Clein
1570:  Jon M'clein
1570:  Johnne Macalein
1570:  John m'Clein
1574:  Johne MakClyne, Sir Thos McClyne, Geo. McClyne
1598:  Gilbert McClane
1598:  Gilbert McClein
1606:  Andro McKlein
1607:  Elisoune McKlane
1609:  Christiann McKlein
1610:  John McClein, Gilbert McCleane
1610:  Thos McKlein
1616:  Gilbert Makclein, Gilbert Macleine, Gilbert Maklein, Gilbert McClein
1617:  Gilbert MakClane, Gilbert McLane, John M'Lein, William M'Lein
1618:  John Makclane, Gilbert MakClein
1620:  John McClene
1621:  Jon McCleane
1622:  Thomas Makclein, Gilbert Maklene, Johnne MacClaine
1622:  Marg't McCleene
1623:  John McClane
1624:  Gilbert McCleane


1630:  Gilbert McLyne, Michael McCallyne, John McCulyne, Humphrey McCollyne, William McClene
1642:  John M'Cleane, Thos M'Cleane, Thos McCleene, John McCleene, William McCallane
1663:  Archiball M'Clene, Wm M'Clene, John McKline, Stephen McClene, John McOlane, Andrew McCLean, Daniel McKillane, Patrick M'Clene
1665:  John Machilane, Owen Machilane, Thos McKalline, Andrew M'Clane
1668: Andrew McClane, John McClane
1669:  James McAlane
1683:  Daniell McCleane
1685:  Archiballd MacLane
1709: John McClene
1717: Andrew McClene, Mary Macklane, John Maclane

All spellings here after are variants pronounced Maclaine. What are some of the thoughts of the experienced genealogists?

Ireland / The Army in Ireland under Charles II - King's Reg't of Guards, Dublin
« on: Friday 08 April 16 03:08 BST (UK)  »
An ancestor's burial in St. John's parish of Dublin in 1683 notes "soldier in Captain Morris' Company". With some digging around and research, I found the Captain in question was Captain Richard Morris of the King's Reg't of Guards, which was garrisoned in Dublin city at the time. I'm wondering if anything beyond general regimental history exists- like pay lists, muster rolls, etc.  The ancestor of mine is Daniel Maclaine from Tyrone, who was born around 1655. I believe he must have enlisted while the regiment was on the move around Londonderry as they did guard duty around Ireland but their HQ was Dublin. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it!

Thank you!

Dublin / Re: Dublin City Trade Guilds
« on: Monday 28 March 16 16:38 BST (UK)  »
Hello! there is actually a chance we may be related!
I have come across this Christopher as well and believe he is the son of a William Maclain who was a painter/glazier in Dublin in the late 1800s. The Smiths Guild was the Guild of St Loy and unfortunately all of their records were lost. William is a brother of my ancestor Henry, who left Dublin for King's Co c1775. This family was also involved in the underground freemason lodges that met in local pubs at the time. I've built up a lot of info and would be happy to email with you. I traced these Maclaines back to a merchant family who came into Down in the 1620s from Dumfries.

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Down / 1630 Muster rolls- How do I find out what townland an ancestor is on?
« on: Monday 06 April 15 01:09 BST (UK)  »
I was wondering if anyone knew of any way to find out what townland/parish ancestors were a part of in Co. Down? I'm assuming I must visit PRONI but I'm in NY and won't be able to make a trip any time in the near future.  My ancestor's were on Montgomery's lands when the muster rolls were taken...

Gilbert M'Lyne, sword, under the Lord Viscount Ards, Co. Down
Michael M'Callyne, sword, "
John M'Culyne, sword and musket, "
Humphrey M'Collyne, sword, "

By the the next census substitute (that I know of, the subsidy rolls) they were in Tyrone already (around 1654-55) so I never bothered to look there but there may have been some family behind in Down.

The first thing that popped into my head is the 1625 Raven  Maps but again, they're in Ireland.  Thanks to anyone who can offer advice.


I was wondering if anyone had run into ancestors in Ulster that attended church services far from where they lived?  I'm trying to figure out if a group of people in St. Columb's Church of Ireland registers are one & the same with a group that appears in Tyrone's hearth rolls (a group of Maclaine brothers and their families).

From what I understand, this area in Tyrone (southeast near Lough Neagh) was in ruin after the Eleven Years' War and there were no churches. Is it feasible that people made the trek to Londonderry (abt 35 miles) to marry or baptize children?  It seems like this family came to Tyrone from Down after the land was seized and parcelled out to adventurers and soldiers c1652.  (The older John is probably the John I found in the 1642 ulster army lists)  I'll post the records anyway but I was wondering if this is too far-fetched of a theory.

Register of St. Columb
22 Jul 1655    Baptism of John Machilane, s. Owen
22 Jan 1663   Marriage of Archiball M'Clene & Mary M'Cracken, wit: Wm M'Clene
27 Dec 1663  Baptism of William M'Clene, s. Patrick
27 Dec 1663  Baptism of Jno M'Clene, s. Archiball, wit: Wm M'Clene
29 Mar 1665 Baptism of John M'Clane, s. Anndro
9 Mar 1667   Baptism of Andrue M'Lane, s. John
21 Feb 1668   Burial of James M'Aline, s. John & Elinor

Tyrone's Hearth Rolls, 1663
John McKline, Coolkill, Clonfeakle, Dungannon, Co. Tyrone
Patrick Mclaine, Galcussah, Desertcreat, Dungannon,  Co. Tyrone
John McOlane, Lederg, Killyman, Dungannon, Co. Tyrone
Andrew McClean, Ballymenagh, Tullyniskan, Dungannon, Co. Tyrone

I know the hearth/subsidy rolls aren't exactly a precise householder census but these names do not appear anywhere else in Tyrone, Londonderry, Donegal (except for a Patrick in Inishowen) as far as any records for this timeframe goes.

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