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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: 1683 Dublin burial register
« on: Sunday 22 March 15 02:30 GMT (UK)  »
It reads

... one of Capt. Morishes Company ...

(implying the Captain's name was MORISH)

Thanks so much!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / 1683 Dublin burial register
« on: Sunday 22 March 15 01:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,  I'm trying to establish a connection to the "Daniell McCleane" listed in this burial register occuring Nov. 13, 1683 (in the right column). He was a soldier in an army regiment and I'm trying to positively decipher his Captain's name. At first glance it looks like it says "Merishop" but I believe it could be Morrison.  The writer seems to make lower case "O" and "E" almost identical fyi.  Thank you to anyone who can help.

Identifying the Captain's name and going through the Irish army lists of the 1680s will lead me to this man's regiment.

Ireland / 1680s Death record- what Army would be in Dublin City?
« on: Saturday 21 March 15 23:24 GMT (UK)  »
I have a death record of a possible ancestor in St. John's parish, 13 Nov 1683.  It reads "Daniel McCleane, one of Capt. Moriss(on's)(?) Company

I'm wondering what army this would be and if any records/muster rolls etc survive, and what their role would be in Dublin? 

Thanks to anyone who can help.

Dublin / What army would be in Dublin city in 1683??
« on: Thursday 27 February 14 22:35 GMT (UK)  »
My ancestors were in Dublin around 1700 and I found a very early burial record from St. John's parish but i'm not sure if it's related.

13 Nov. 1683
The burial of Daniel McCleane, soldier in Capt. Morrisson's Co., St. John's parish

I know the Williamite army came in 1689, but would this be part of King James' Irish army? or a local militia company?  Thank you to anyone who can help

Dumfriesshire / Dumfries: Some 17th Century Religious confusion
« on: Friday 06 September 13 15:30 BST (UK)  »
As if there wasn't enough :)

I'm trying to figure out what religion my ancestors would have been.  I have records from the birth register of the Burgh Church of Dumfries 1604-1620 before their emigration to Ireland.  But was this church Presbyterian at the time or was it Episcopalian?  I've been a little confused because James VI was episcopalian and so I'm figuring that a burgh church may have been the religion of the King of Scots, would I be correct in that?

They were likely catholics at least up until this point, a long line of them were chaplains and my ancestor John Macklayne was a laird of Lord Maxwell, who sheltered a lot of catholic families in the area at the time of the reformation.  This is still a bit of a confusing time to understand religion-wise and I'm not even sure that individual churches would have been quite sectarian.

Down / 17th Century Down records
« on: Wednesday 17 July 13 05:37 BST (UK)  »
I had my ancestors back to the hearth rolls in Tyrone (1660s) and I just happened to find them in Down's muster rolls from 1630, they were originally from Dumfries, Scotland.  I've never researched anything in Down before but it doesn't seem like there's really anything to go on.  Is there any census-substitute pre-1750?  Even if I can't find anything c1630-60, it would be nice to see what family stayed behind.

Thank you!

  I'll try to make a long story short here... my ancestors were Maclaines but not related to the highland clans, this name arose independently in Dumfriesshire from a family of priests and Notary Publics, the first record of which is a "Sir Thomas McLyn" witnessing a charter for the Earl of Douglas in 1432. They family was later merchant burgesses of Dumfries and most made the move into Ulster in the early days of the plantation.  I am trying to draw a link to what may be related families in the area without assuming too much... and also solidify the root origin of the name.

 Early spellings use the "y" in the name up through the early 1600s and I was wondering if the pronunciation would have been slightly different  (i.e. Maclayne vs. Maclyane). 
McLyn, McClyne, Macklyne, McCollyne, McCulyne, Mackilyn are a lot of the early spellings and of course what's "accepted" is that this is pronounced "Maclaine" and from the gaelic "Mac Gille-Eoin".  But since my unknown medieval ancestor was a Gille-Eoin in Nithsdale and unrelated to the clans... Could he more likely have been named Gille-Ewen / Gille-Eoghain?  which I think would explain the "y" in the early spellings/pronunciation of the name.

It would explain the solid unquestionable spellings of people also in Dumfriesshire in the same time-frame named McCalyane, McCalyean, Mackilyane, etc who were also priests and notary publics.  Also in an ancestor's 1573 testament, it links to a family of priests in Haddington who spelled their names Mauchlyn and Maghlyne... which I first thought may have been an indication of the geographical surname from Ayrshire.  But also in Haddington at this time were families of McCalyanes nearby.

For instance St. Andrews matriculation rolls
Andreas MakClayn, 1494
Thomas Macalyane, 1506
Mauricius Mk Clayne, 1519
Thomas M'Calyen, 1525
Johannes Maklayne, 1519
Soirlanus Maklayne, 1539
Lauchlanus MakClene, 1554
Johannes M'Kalyeine, 1564

It would also explain my distant DNA match to several people of the "Galyean" surname who are of Ulster-Scots descent (an alteration of Mackilyane?)

I'm just wondering whether I should pursue this further or it may just be a big coincidence.  Could MacGilleEwen have slowly been anglicized to Maclaine in just my branch of the family?

Offaly (Kings) / Re: Clara, Kilbride Tithe Applotment - 1826- Will lookup
« on: Friday 11 January 13 19:01 GMT (UK)  »
No Flanagans listed in Clara but as of recently, has done a huge job putting together Tithe Applotment records for Ireland.  I did a search and found several names close to Clara

Jonathan Flanagan in Erry, Kilbride p.
Margaret Flanagan in Raheen Wood, Durrow p.
Andrew O'Flannagan in Shrah, Kilbride p.
"Flannagan" in Durrow, Durrow p.

There are 3 pages of Flanagans for the county and I believe these books were put together 1825-33.

Offaly (Kings) / Re: Clara, Kilbride Tithe Applotment - 1826- Will lookup
« on: Monday 24 September 12 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, no Payne-variant names within the town.  Have you ever checked the 1802 Protestant Census for King's County? Protestants in the Tullamore-Kilbride area are listed and I believe it was in a volume of "The Irish Ancestor". I have a partial of it but it's only the page my ancestors are on.  The full name is "Early 19th century lists of Protestant parishioners in the Diocese of Meath"

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