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Scotland / Re: Fees on Scotlands People
« on: Friday 21 June 24 14:45 BST (UK)  »
If you already own credits you will be given the choice of buying either a copy or else buying a certificate.

The minimum of 30 credits cost £7.50. This will buy 5 or 6 copies of the records you want. There is no requirement to pay £12 just for a simple copy.


Armed Forces / Re: Archibald Ramsay - Radio Officer
« on: Wednesday 01 November 17 11:54 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for your interest in this post.

I found a couple of Passenger lists for Archibald, but they probably do not help.
He arrived in Boston on the 26 October 1930 from Glasgow on board The Cameronia.
He arrived in Tacoma, Washington on the 2 November 1932 from the UK on board the City of Quebec.

Regarding the loss of the Norwegian ship Gyda, I also came across the name A. Ramsay on the list of crew members. I found it on this website:
List of casualties prior to 6.5.42 serving on Norwegian ships on time-charter (Death cases only)
(This is similar to the document posted by seaweed).

I thought I had solved the problem. However, further research soon came up with the name Edward Ramsay and I assumed that A. Ramsay had been wrongly transcribed on that document.

It does seem rather macabre that two Radio Officers named Ramsay both died at sea on the same day in similar circumstances. Archibald Ramsay must have been recorded as being on some ship, such that notice of his death was passed onto his family in Carluke – hence the notice in the local newspaper. Also, after the war his name was added to the Roll of Honour in his local church. This memorial contains 23 names for WW1 (including Archibald's brother William) and 3 names for WW2. Perhaps this is the only evidence that can be found at this late date regarding what happened to him.

I wonder if there is a local newspaper from New Brunswick, Canada giving details of the death of Edward Ramsay?


Armed Forces / Archibald Ramsay - Radio Officer
« on: Monday 30 October 17 16:19 GMT (UK)  »
Archibald Ramsay – Radio Officer

There is a short enigmatic memorial inscription in a Carluke Cemetery for a distant cousin of mine. It reads:

Their son Archibald
Drowned through enemy action 1940.

It was added to the stone for his elder brother, Thomas Ramsay, who died in WW1.

There is no mention of Archibald in the cwgc website, nor any other site I can find.

Recently I found the following newspaper article from 1940 on the British Newspaper Archive website:
The Carluke & Lanark Gazette dated 9 August 1940 reported:
BOAT SUNK BY ENEMY ACTION. Mr Archibald Ramsay, who was a wireless officer on a boat which has been torpedoed, is missing. He is a son of the late Mr and Mrs Thos. Ramsay, Cadzow Villa, Carluke, and was married to a Lanark lady. His ship sailed on 16th July and was sunk by enemy action on 18th July. He is well known in Carluke and is a great favourite with all who knew him. Official information that the boat had been sunk was received on Friday last, and it is known that nine members of the crew have landed in America but so far there is no definite news of Mr Ramsay.

I have a list of UK ships torpedoed about this date:
16th July 1940 - Scottish Minstrel; 41 crew, 32 survivors, 9 lost.
17th July 1940 - Manipur: 79 crew, 65 survivors, 14 lost.
17th July 1940 - Fellside: 33 crew, 21 survivors, 12 lost.
18th July 1940 - Woodbury: 35 crew, no casualties.
19th July 1940 - Pearlmoor: 39 crew, 26 survivors, 13 lost.

The casualties for these ships are in the cwgc website and also the Tower Hill memorial.

There was another newspaper report after the war:
The Carluke & Lanark Gazette dated 8 June 1951 reported:
Additions To Church Memorial At Kirkton Church
On Sunday morning, opportunity was taken to make mention of the recent additions upon the Church Memorial to those fallen in the two world wars. It was remembered that Sunday was the eleventh anniversary of Dunkirk, and there were prayers offered for the welfare of our nation and for the peace of the world. The congregation stood in reverent silence while the minister read the following words: " According to the wish of the Kirk Session and by the will of all the people of this congregation, we have this day added to the Church Memorial to the Fallen the following names:— Harold A. Paterson, Archibald Ramsay, James M. Skeoch. "We remember that these men went in jeopardy of their lives and returned no more to the peaceful scenes of home. Within the bounds of this congregation we place on public record their service, their devotion, and their sacrifice. We, too, dedicate ourselves anew to the cause of our own well-loved land, of all humanity and of the Kingdom of God. 

Why is there no official record of Archibald Ramsay? Perhaps he was a passenger on a ship and not on the actual crew list, or he may have a crew member on a foreign ship. Any suggestions as to why he has seemingly been forgotten?


Family History Beginners Board / Re: Ship Query
« on: Thursday 25 September 14 16:16 BST (UK)  »
This is an intriguing puzzle. 

Just a long shot.

There was a ship called the PERLA (Official Number 139046) torpedoed and sunk a week later on the 10 June 1917 in the Barents Sea on its way to Archangel. Could Perla be misread as Purdy?

Also, newspapers at the time printed lists of casualties, did they also include names of seamen lost at sea?


Family History Beginners Board / Re: HMT Lancashire
« on: Thursday 03 July 14 13:34 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jim,

I found these two articles about HMT Lancashire in 1954. Is this the voyage that you are looking for? There is no mention of the departure date from Japan, presumably it was sometime in August.

The Times dated 27 August 1954 reported:
Death in Troopship
From Our Correspondent
Liverpool, Aug 26
Liverpool detectives will board the troopship Lancashire, now on her way from Japan, when she reaches the Mersey early on Monday, to make inquiries about the death of a member of the crew. The captain of the ship radioed the Liverpool managers, and the next of kin of the dead man have been informed.
It is understood he was the ship’s butcher, and that his death followed an incident involving other members of the crew.
The Times dated 30 August 1954 reported:
Detectives Meet Troopship
Liverpool detectives left the Mersey by tender yesterday to meet the troopship Lancashire from Japan to make inquiries into the death of a ship’s butcher named William Crellin, of Mossley Hill, Liverpool. Statements will be taken from members of the crew. The Lancashire is due in Liverpool early this morning. A Liverpool solicitor will meet the ship on its arrival.


The Common Room / Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
« on: Sunday 08 June 14 14:30 BST (UK)  »
Hello Red Tom,

The Liverpool Mercury dated 7 November 1881 reported that the ship Manna Loa sailed from Liverpool on the 5 November 1881 for Valparaiso.

There were a number of ships called the Mauna Loa, perhaps this was the name of your ship.


Family History Beginners Board / Re: cr1 cr2 cr10
« on: Thursday 22 May 14 13:16 BST (UK)  »
Hello Anne,

Before the war, most of the National Newspapers carried details of shipping such as arrivals, departures and destinations.

If you have access to the Times archive at your local library, you should be able to find out the information you are looking for.


Hello Baz,

There was also a ship called the Sea Queen that sank in 1870 off the Norfolk coast. Perhaps the information from the TNA is for this particular sinking rather than the one in Falmouth.


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