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Thanks Carole this is the mystery I am trying to solve
Facts I know are definite
Winifred Rowan married  Henry Bowling in Chorley around 1907.Records show she was born Shifnal .The family connection with Shifnal is correct .According to 1939 Winifred was born 16/11/1884.Winfred's marriage cert reveals no father named
A definite fact her mother was Catherine[ sometimes shown as Kate] Rowan .She married Samuel Bowling in the 3rd qtr 1886
I then looked on the England Roman Catholic records and found a baptism  at Wolverhampton St Mary's and St John's for Winifred and thought I had cracked it when it showed born 16/11/1884 baptised 31/12/1884 daughter of Jacubus and Mariea Rowan but shows maiden name as Rowan.The two birthdates  recorded are identical but who are James and Mary nee Callaghan] with this I thought grandparents so then looked for a baptism for Catherine and found Catherine daughter of a James and Mary baptised at the same church but her birthdate  4/5/1868  doesn't match the 1939 which states 6/3/1864 so who is her father.At the beginning everything pointed to her being the daughter of John and Winifred Rhoan but now the James and Mary may be her parents and I was hoping someone may have had access to the marriage records of Catherine and Samuel.Sorry to longwinded and thanks for your interest.
Dotty

Bap   ROWAN   Helenae   1888   Mother of: Joannes Carolus ROWAN at Manchester, Ancoats, St. Anne

mlfhs.uk.databases/catholic-records/results

This is what I found I too can't find a civil registration

Thanks

Dotty   

Thanks everyone for replying.I think that John may have been the illigimate son of Helen[ellen].Helen I think was Catherine Burgoyne sister and if my facts are right she was born29/11/1873  in Shropshire daughter of James and Mary Rowan[nee Callaghan] census show the parents came from County Mayo.I can't find John or Ellen on the 1891 but 1901 and 1911 he is with the Burgoynes  but at the moment not found Ellen.I was just hoping the actual baptism may reveal more info.
Many thanks to all

Dotty

Thanks very much --interestinng

thank you.
When  William married in 1845 he stated that his father was Lewis Roberts a labourer
William did marry in Liverpool