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  Hi All

Annie I have just reverted to looking at my DNA and bingo. All the research you have uncovered with the Thomas Butler DUBLIN family have lead to a DNA connection in NY USA  with whom I share DNA at around the 4th/5th cousin match.

His tree leads directly to the Daughter Catherine Butler born Dublin 1846 to Thomas Butler and Elizabeth( Eliza) Carr ( Carroll) both of whom born Dublin.

looking at other DNA matches I have with this one DNA match when I look to see how many others we both share DNA with there are 9 other people we both share DNA with.

The Thomas Butler born 1797 c Dublin that you found and researched yesterday emigrated after the UK 1861 census to NY USA with daughters Catherine Butler born 1846  and Mary Ann Driscoll nee Butler

I think you may have just cracked the Brickwall

Now more research to follow confirm and try to link up the other DNA matches

Many many thanks

Judi

 

Hi Annie

Thanks so so much for all the research, you are 100% right the timeline for the Thomas Butler looked great until the timeline of his prison sentence and the date of his marriage to Fanny Wagstaff. .....Thomas Butler may have been let out on licence prior to completing his sentence Annie

.Please can I ask you to look at the original copy on Ancestry and see if you agree, I'm looking at the very light writing at the start of the record under his name  ( Thomas Butler) I THINK it reads

Licence Reg number 4216
Discharged 3 April 1856
Licence Number 5239
Revoked 3 May 1858

Scanning further into same record it appears he had been admitted to Portland prison on two occasions one in 28 April 1854 and then again in 24 May 1858 ( presumably when his licence was revoked)

So question ? was  this Thomas Butler married to Fanny Wagstaff while out on licence from Portland OR was this Thomas Butler NOT the same person at all more questions than answers lol I really do appreciate all the input and expert help.

Every census indicates my Thomas Butler was Nottingham born but who knows.

 I need to relook from the start on this line to see if I can unpick it. with available paperwork and facts

It starts with my great grandmother
 
Born 23 Oct 1866  Nottingham,  Catherine Butler known as  ( Kate) .FACT

Census for 1891 has the following that takes us back on the BUTLER Line.

William Screeton aged 63
Mary A Screeton aged 61
Thomas BUTLER aged 50 (born 1841)  Widower Foreman Porter west midlands railway Boarder
Kate ( CATHERINE) BUTLER aged 24 Boarder
William T Screeton aged 20 Boarder  ( Boarding with his Grandparents and his wife to be Catherine Butler and her father Thomas Butler a widower)
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William Thomas Screeton and Catherine Butler then marry
Married 5 Oct 1892  Married William Thomas Screeton Fact
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Looking at the 1881 For Thomas Butler born 1841 according to 1991 census and daughter Catherine ( Kate ) Butler .

1881 Census
Thomas Butler aged 33 Head  Railway Lab Nottingham........indicates born 1848
Frances Butler aged 34 wife  Leic Willoughby
Catherine Butler aged 14 Fancy box maker Nottingham
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1871
Thomas Butler aged 34 head Coalminer Nottingham ( Born 1837) according to census
Francis Butler aged 32
Catherine Butler aged 4
George M Butler aged 4/12
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Baptism for Catherine Butler
Free Reg

Catherine Butler
St Barnabas
birthdate 23 Oct 1866
Baptism date 30 Dec 1866
Father forename Thomas
Mother forename Frances
Father surname   BUTLER
Mother surname   WAGSTAFF
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Kind Regards Judi

Hi All

I have returned to this search after many years and have just come across another record related to this Thomas Butler. ( may help someone else as well)

UK, Prison Commission Records, 1770-1951 for Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler aged 18 ( Born 1835)  was convicted of "Theft from the person" in Nottingham in 1853 and sentenced to 7 years.

It also states he had 4 previous times he was convicted under "The Vagrant act".

His father was listed as also Thomas Butler "Frame work Knitter " and his address  as
4 Pleasant Row, Gedling Street Nottingham.

His sentence was served at Wakefield prison and then moved to Portland Prison in 1854 .

Hi sentence completed 2nd March 1860.

Naughty boy


I do also please have a request please can anyone find the address given ( 4 Pleasant Row, Gedling Street Nottingham. ) on the 1841 & 1851 census please or know which parish this was in.
I have searched and searched and really struggling to locate.

Also I assume he was up before the magistrates in Nottingham for the 4 prior offences is there any reports in the newspapers that may help further with the search ?

Thanks in advance Judi

Hi

My 5th GGF Thomas Potter was born in 1771 Ilkeston Derbyshire. he was a Soldier in the 90th foot brigade the 69th foot brigade and the 3rd Veteran battalion ( Jersey)

he had three children born in the garrison in Jersey.

Elizabeth Potter in 1805
Barbara Ann Potter in 1807
Thomas Potter 1809

His wife was Mary ( No confirmed surname but possibly Glover ) I don't know where I got this surname from as I failed to log the source and can no longer find it. or could be a mistake my end.

Given he was a soldier and his wife was obviously with him in Jersey he could have married anywhere but according to the 1851 census Mary was born 1774 in Calverton Nottingham

Can anyone see a marriage that may help me confirm this info.

Kind regards Judi

Morning all,
Would anyone please have access to the Newspaper Archives and able to help with transcript or photo of a case for "Ethel Harding" reported in the Published: Friday 11 October 1935
Newspaper: Peterborough Standard.

There are two reports  in the same paper on the same day page 11 connected to a court case one headline "UNPLEASANT CASE" and "MISSING REGISTER"

Name also connected 'Screeton"

Thanks in advance Judi