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Family History Beginners Board / Re: How to search online parish records
« on: Sunday 10 June 07 10:13 BST (UK)  »
I found a really good trader at

This chap does all sorts of books on CD, and parish registers on CD and microfiche from various family history societies.  Obviously you can get all this from the individual societies, but it's good to be able to search for what you want all "under one roof".  The proprietor works 24/7, and is very helpful.

Kent / Re: Stuck ! What to do next ?
« on: Saturday 09 June 07 22:50 BST (UK)  »
MARTIN is a very common name in Kent.  :(

The IGI for Kent has 1000 entries for the name Thomas MARTIN and 1167 for William MARTIN.

It's going to be tough to narrow down the right family.

It could be worse - my wife's name is Robinson !  Thanks to everyone for the help so far.

Kent / Re: Stuck ! What to do next ?
« on: Saturday 09 June 07 16:23 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all that ! 

I think I now need to establish whether William and Thomas were brothers.  I suspect that the family did not originate from Eltham, because I can't find any applicable christenings on the Eltham parish registers pre 1830'ish.

Kent / Re: Stuck ! What to do next ?
« on: Saturday 09 June 07 14:28 BST (UK)  »
I knew it would be a case of not seeing the wood for the trees !   

Many thanks !   :)

Kent / Stuck ! What to do next ?
« on: Saturday 09 June 07 14:01 BST (UK)  »
Could someone please help me ?  I don't have any experience of pre-1841 research......

I'm stuck at my g.g. grandparents on my dad's side.....

William MARTIN, b. abt 1811 in Kent, shown living with wife Mary with children Sarah (9), Thomas (6) and John (3) in Friths Buildings, Eltham High Street, Eltham Kent in the 1841 Census  HO107/482/ 8 - 9

In 1851, there's a William MARTIN living in Frith's buildings with wife Mary, but this time William is born in 1805 in London, Mary is born in 1808 in Chippen, Flintshire, Wales, and the children are Thomas (16), William (9) and George (7).  It's Thomas that is my g. grandfather, by the way. HO107/1590; Folio: 461; Page: 4

Then in 1861, William (b. 1804) and Mary (b. 1808) are living with an Amy MARTIN (b. abt 1808) and they are both shown as "in-laws" to Amy, who is a widow.  Amy's occupation is "Green Grocer", and her birthplace is "Chipping, Herefordshire".  William MARTIN is now shown as being born in London, and Mary in Chipping, Herefordshire, which seems to suggest that Amy and Mary are related. Mary's children William and George are living there as "nephews". RG9/412; Folio: 44; Page: 3

Now, I'm fairly sure that Amy MARTIN was married to William's brother Thomas MARTIN, but I have no proof.  There is a Thomas Martin (b. 1806) listed in the 1841 census living with an Amy (b. 1806, not in Kent) in Eltham High Street.

I can't find any marriage records in St. John's Eltham for either Amy or Mary, but I suspect they were married in Chipping, Herefordshire.  However, I can't check what their maiden names were, so I can't look for marriage records.  At the moment I don't have a proper microfiche reader, so I'm squinting at the Eltham parish records through a magnifying glass (I'm picking a proper reader up next week).  I also can't seem to find christening records for William or Thomas, so I suspect that they were not born in Eltham.

I am a newbie, so there's probably something obvious that I've overlooked, and I would be grateful if one of the forum's more experienced members could give me a hint about where to go with this.

My sister used to live in Burrage Road until about a year ago, so I remembered what that building looked like from the front too  ;)

You can also use Google Maps......

Click on "Satellite View" - number 78 now appears to be a block of apartments.

London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Powis Street, Woolwich
« on: Wednesday 06 June 07 15:56 BST (UK)  »
You can also use

No need for software installation.  You can have map view, satellite view, or both.

Can anyone help with the location of Friths Buildings in Eltham High Street please ?  This Gendocs page gives a reference as 1881, but I think they were built earlier than that.  I think they would have been at the St Johns Church end, but I'm only guessing.  The Gendocs page is the only thing that Google brings up.


Edit 1 Oct 2007 : Solved !  Thanks to the good folks at the Greenwich Heritage Centre.  "Friths Frith's Buildings was a narrow cul de sac with eleven modest terrace houses off the north side of what is now Eltham Hill, just east of the junction with Sherard Road.  They were knocked down in the mid-to-late 1930's to make way for the Swimming Baths, built in 1939, which is still standing.  In 1839, the landowner of the five houses at the southern end of the row was Rev. Edward Frith, which must be where the terrace got its name."  They even sent me an image from the 1869 OS Map !  :)

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