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I agree with Lizzie. I think there is an error on behalf of whoever entered the names into the book, particularly as there is no death index reference for a death of Luke Jordan. It was a legal requirement (from the 1870s I think) to have a death certificate produced before the burial took place.

That's what was confusing me, as I couldn't see someone being buried without one, but as I say in my last response, I think I've cracked it - mis-referenced record sets grouped together.

 Hi all,

Posting in the hope that some assistance might be available in terms of the following;

My Great grandfather was one Luke Jordan (1889 -1962). His parents were John Jordan (c.1854-1904) and Mary Jane Clements (nee Martin 1856-1915), both of whom were from Newry, County Armagh and who came over to Liverpool in the mid 1880’s.

John Jordan’s parents were Luke and Ellen Jordan (nee McAleavy), again, of Newry, Co. Armagh. As of yet, I am unsure of their respective DOB/DOD.

John Jordan passed away in 1904 as stated above and was buried at Ford RC Cemetery (Sterrix Lane), Litherland in Liverpool in a public plot. However, on Mary Jane’s passing in 1915, she was buried on the 19th August in Plot 776 (Private), Section R, Ford RC Cemetery, Sterrix Lane, Ford,  Liverpool. Mary Jane had lived at 88 Stitt Steet in the Everton area of Liverpool for a number of years, showing up there on both the 1901 and 1911 census.

Upon the subsequent deaths of both my Great Grandfather Luke and Great grandmother Sarah Jordan in 1962 and 1967 respectively, both were interred in the same plot as Luke’s mother – Plot 776, Section R (Private), Ford Cemetery. So as far as I was aware, the three of them were buried together in the same plot.

However, here’s where things start to get strange…

Having been concentrating on this direct line of my tree for a week or so, focussing primarily on Luke and Ellen over in Ireland,  I noticed a hint within with Ancestry account relating to the Catholic burial of one Mr. Luke Jordan in 1915. On accessing the record, I see that this Luke Jordan was buried within the same private grave TWO DAYS prior to the burial of my Great, great grandmother on the 17th August 1915, with his place of residence stated as being…88 Stitt Street!

Strangely though whereas this record states that Luke was buried in the plot on the 17th August, there is no corresponding entry for Mary Jane two days later on the 19th within this record set (Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1985 (Ford Cemetery 1911-1915)) Furthermore, vice versa, on the burial record where Mary Jane is listed as having been buried on the 19th, there is no corresponding entry for Luke Jordan on the 17th August within the same record – see attached scan of entry for 17th Aug, again from the 1911-1915 record set!

Also, there appear to be a couple of separate records for the burials and on one of them contained within Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1985 (Ford Cemetery 1914-1915) on Ancestry, where Mary Jane is listed as buried on the 19th August 1915, on the previous page, there is an entry on the 17th August for an ‘Adult Jordan’, with the record stating that plot 776 is a ‘New Grave’

Even stranger still, I can find no record whatsoever within the death indexes for the death of a Luke Jordan in Liverpool in 1915 at all. How can someone be buried without a death certificate?

I would be really grateful for any assistance/thoughts people might having respect of this, as it is all rather confusing!!!!

Regards

Paul

Hi Gadget, I don't have access to the back of the card unfortunately, but I can ask for this to be checked.

Millipede,

Yes, Hughes was her Maiden name. I'm not sure if she married or not as of yet.

Paul

Hi,

Thanks.

Having looked at it again,  I had missed the continuation below.

The text entry for place of residence states ‘Emo and Ballintogher’ these being two separate places as has been pointed out.

On the presumption that the marriage took place in the bride’s parish, this may indicate that Loughlin was from Emo, and Anne from Ballintogher.

They appeared to live in Ballintogher after their marriage, as their first born was born there.

I think that this solves this

Hi all,

Had quite forgotten about this enquiry given the time that has passed since my initial post.

However, just to update the thread, I did indeed find out about my Dad's uncle James Cuddy, and it was quite a sad discovery.

On the death if their mother in 1927 aged 47, five years after their father died (officially Bronchitis, but suspect more likely as a result of gas poisoning) aged 43, the younger children were all split up between the elder children, apart from James.

He was admitted to Blackburn Whalley in 1927 aged 10.

He remained there until his death aged 51. I have no idea if he was ever visited, and none of my surviving aunties/uncles can confirm this either.

I have located a reference to his medical records, but they are unavailable for release for some time owing to the date of the last set of records being some time after.

Was quite shocking for everyone to disover this, as they'd all been told he died in 1927...the year he was admitted!

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