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One post on here reminds me of my 'da Vinci' code type grave search last year.

My grandfather's mother died when he was eight, and his father went off the rails a bit leaving my grandfather in the care of other family. Anyway, my grandfather died when I was only 5 and my grandmother did not talk about his family (there was a bit of a rift).
When my grandmother died last year, I inherited all the family papers and records that were available. That is what started my search. There was nothing from my grandfather's side bar his birth ceritficate and a lair transfer certificate from the local cemetary.

I was having some trouble finding out about what happend to my great grandfather. He seemed to disappear off the map after 1926. So then I decided it was time to check up on the lair certificate.

I thought it was the certificate of my great grandmother and as such, her husband would be on the records being buried beside her. I emailed the regestrars office and they confirmed that the lair had been opened in 1934 to bury my great grandmother. They refused to give me further information without appointment. So I made an appointment.

After months of searching I thought that the mystery of my great grandfather was over. I was wrong. Turns out the lair was last opened in 1934. She is buried alone.
A few months later, the mystery of my great grandfather was finally revealed. Unbeknown to us, he had remarried. I was told this by his daughter, my grandfather's half sister. Neither of them knew about the other. Anyway, it turns out that he is resting in Rugby, England. He died there while working and the family could not afford to pay for the transportation of his body. My great grandmother is buried in Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire.

It just goes to show what family rifts can do in the long term.

Anyway, I have since had the lair transfered to my name. Alls that I had to do was prove that I was a direct relation of the 'inhabitant'. I also had to get the signatures of two other family members to acknowledge my right to the lair.

At least when my time comes my great grandmother will be joined by her great grandson, rather than some recycled-grave stranger (although I'm not sure if these new re0using guidelines apply to Scotland).

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The Lighter Side / Re: The Tudors
« on: Monday 11 June 07 02:07 BST (UK)  »
Indeed.
The story goes that Margaret Drummond was poisoned to prevent James from marrying her. Or that they were secretly married and the marriage 'had to' end. No prizes for guessing who the accused were (the English). Just another nationalist sob story. It's more likely she died from food poisoning due to lack of hygiene.

Had they married I certainly wouldn't be here and nor would my half 14th Cousin 4 times removed (the Queen).  ;)

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The Lighter Side / Re: The Tudors
« on: Monday 11 June 07 01:45 BST (UK)  »
My only connection to the Tudors comes from my 17xgreat grandfather, James IV of Scotland, who married one of Henry VII's daughters. I come from James' favourite mistress, Margaret Drummond.
I also have a link to the plantagenet King Edward I, or so these peerage websites show.

I have not fully developed this line so it could get more interesting.

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Banffshire / Re: whitehills, boyndie, banff
« on: Sunday 10 June 07 20:29 BST (UK)  »
I have also had trouble locating graves of ancestors.
My Strachan line seemed to travel though the countryside. It sort of starts of at Blackhills/St. Fergus in 1791 and gradually works though the small villages to Boyndlie/Strichen before reaching Fraserburgh in the 1890s.

There are lots of little graveyards spread out across this area.

I'm still looking for the grave of Robert Strachan (1848-1929) but then he could be anywhere in between.


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Aberdeenshire / Re: young family researchers
« on: Sunday 10 June 07 00:36 BST (UK)  »
I started doing my family history last year aged 18.
Given that I had just started a degree course in history, perhaps it made sense for me to be into that sort of thing.

People are generally interested, or appear to be, when I tell them of my findings.

A big favourite of many of my friend's is my greatx3 grandfather William Connon from Monquhitter. Between 1862 and 1906 he had fathered 26 children. Given that he lived to 1915, this number could increase.

Less than a month ago I made a connection to Christian Watt which was fairly exciting. The fact that there is a book published about some of my ancestors adds character to what would otherise be names and dates. If Christian Watt is right, I can boast of being the half 14th cousin 4 times removed of Queen Elizabeth II.  ;)

So it's not all boring.

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Aberdeenshire / Re: Noble families x Broadsea, Fraserburgh
« on: Friday 08 June 07 15:20 BST (UK)  »
My great grandmother was a Noble of Broadsea descent.

She was Margaret Bell Noble (1892-1934).

Her parents:
Dougal Noble (1855-1896) & Jessie S. Noble (c.1855-1900).

Dougal's parents:
Dougal Noble (c.1827-1879) & Ann Noble (1832-1903).

Dougal's parents:
George Noble (b.1788) & Barbara Whyte (c.1793-1866)

George was the son of Andrew Noble (d.1790) and Helen Lascelles (c.1760-1840). Helen is 'Granny Lascelles' in the 'Christian Watt Papers'.

How reliable are the papers as a source? They go onto claim that 'Granny Lascelles' mother was the illegitimate daughter of John Gordon and Jean Crawford. John Gordon was the son of John Gordon of Kinellar and Henrietta Fraser, daughter of 12th Lord Saltoun of Abernethy.
I have done a small amount of research. The papers claim that Helen Lascelles' mother (Jane Gordon/Crawford) was left 20 pounds in the will of her father. Having viewed John Gordon's will, there is mention of his natural daughter being left 20 pounds. So some of the claims can be proven.

I believe John Gordon is buried in his family vault, a converted chapel which stands in the grounds of the old Kirktoun.

So what do we think?

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