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England / Re: Morgan Lewis Williams family
« on: Wednesday 04 June 14 19:11 BST (UK)  »
Hi Eska,
Nice to hear from you. I haven't been on this site in years, but was informed of your post by the administrator (?) Sarah Davies. Apparently, there was a mix-up regarding my email address, so notifications haven't been coming to me.
My knowledge of Charles William Thorne is only sketchy and relates mainly to his marriage with my 2nd great grandaunt Catherine Day Borrett. She died in 1890, and their only child that I know of (at the moment) was Catherine Elizabeth Thorne. I really need to go back and review my notes and the research by Shaun J. in this thread. I apologize, but I've been away from family tree research for quite awhile. I do have a photo of Charles William Thorne, also Catherine Elizabeth Thorne, and I'd be happy to share them with you, if you are interested. If you have any specific questions, I will try to help. I also have a cousin in Canada who is researching the Borrett family, and perhaps she might have more information.
Thanks!   Wayne Pfaff, Ohio, USA

Suffolk / Re: BORRETT/DAY/HURREN in Suffolk
« on: Monday 01 March 10 14:59 GMT (UK)  »
The John you found is possibly John Hurren Borrett, the son of the John Borrett reportedly born in Sudbury.  John Hurren Borrett was born in Peckham, Surrey,
8 July 1840.
Thanks for your reply!

Suffolk / BORRETT/DAY/HURREN in Suffolk
« on: Wednesday 10 February 10 17:00 GMT (UK)  »
My cousins and I have long been searching for the birth parents of John Borrett, born approx. 1804-07.  Census of 1851 (Greenwich, Kent) gives his birthplace as Sudbury, Suffolk, but record searches there have thus far turned up nothing.
He married Catherine Gardner in 1832 in St. Giles, Camberwell, London, so John probably left the Sudbury area as a young man or perhaps as a child.

Among his children were John HURREN Borrett (b.1840) and Catherine DAY Borrett (b.1851), which leads us to believe the surnames Hurren and Day (fairly common Suffolk names) have a connection to John Borrett's ancestry. All three surnames seem to appear in records of villages near to Sudbury.

Can anyone offer ideas or help with our search?

London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Harling in Southwark & Lambeth
« on: Tuesday 17 July 07 20:49 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your input, and I've had a similar thing happen with another ancestor.  However, in this case both sources you suggest state her maiden name was Harling.  In fact, a cousin in Australia has a sampler made by Mary Ann around age 12 which carries the surname Harling. 

It was very kind of you to take the time to reply, and I wish you luck in your future research.

Wayne, Ohio, USA.

London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Harling in Southwark & Lambeth
« on: Monday 16 July 07 14:45 BST (UK)  »
For many years I have been unable to determine the parents & siblings, if any, of MARY ANN SOPHIA HARLING.  She is my 3rd great grandmother, born 1 Jan 1815 in Southwark (according to family bible).  She married JOSEPH CHEETHAM, 3 Apr 1836 at St. John the Evangelist, Lambeth.  She died 8 Dec 1897 at Holborn Workhouse, residence at that time Richmond Road, Hoxton New Town. 
(There is also a marriage of WILLIAM HARLING & MARY FRANCIS in the same church, 29 Jan 1832, and I've wondered if this might be a sibling).
Does anyone researching Harlings in the area have any idea where Mary Ann Sophia fits in? 
I have a database on RootsWeb World Connect under the title "islandqueen", for reference.
Thanks for any replies.
Wayne, Ohio, USA.

England / Re: Morgan Lewis Williams family
« on: Tuesday 10 July 07 16:44 BST (UK)  »
Alright Shaun, my head is spinning.  The picture is becoming more & more confusing.  I am trying to contact the submitter of information for Catherine Elizabeth Thorne on Ancestral File, named Greg H. Metzgus, and hopefully he can clear things up.

Catherine's mother, Catherine Day (Borrett) Thorne, died at age 39 in 1890 at the family home in Sheerness, so I'm thinking Catherine Elizabeth may have been born there.  Could "Kate F." in the 1910 list be Catherine?

Anyway, I'll let you know if I receive a helpful reply from the gentleman named above.

Thanks so much for your persistent detective work.


England / Re: Morgan Lewis Williams family
« on: Monday 09 July 07 18:34 BST (UK)  »
This will be quick.

I found parents of Morgan Lewis Williams on LDS Ancestral File:
William Lewis Williams, b. abt. 1847, maybe Turkey.
Fannie Elizabeth Hooper, b. abt. 1851

Also, California Death Index lists Catherine Elizabeth's death in 1956 under the surname Dixon, so she remarried, either after Morgan's death or divorce.  The latter appears more likely, as the LDS source gives his death as 1962, in England.
Not sure about reliability of the data.

England / Re: Morgan Lewis Williams family
« on: Monday 09 July 07 14:27 BST (UK)  »
Thank you, Shaun, for searching.  I don't have Morgan Williams' parents' names, so it's hard to say if these people connect to him.  However, in a 1913 passenger list for the SS Oceanic, arriving in New York from Southhampton, Morgan gives the name of a brother, H.W. Williams with an address (Merthys, Tydoil ? ...hard to read) in Wales, as a contact.  I see a Harold W. Williams in one of the 1901 returns you found, but he would have been only about 13-14 yrs.old by 1913, not a likely contact person.

I appreciate your interest and help.

Wayne, Ohio, USA.

England / Morgan Lewis Williams family
« on: Monday 09 July 07 01:06 BST (UK)  »
I am searching for further information about the family of Morgan Lewis Williams and his wife Catherine Elizabeth Thorne, who lived on Ireland Island, Bermuda, at least between 1910-1922. They may have also had residence in Portsmouth, England, before, during or after this period.

Morgan Williams was an engineer, apparently born in Turkey abt. 1873, but a British subject. His parents possibly were Welsh. He sometimes, with or without his family, made numerous crossings between Southhampton & New York, and between Bermuda & New York during the stated period. Children who appear on passenger lists include Mora Winifred & Vera Williams. 

My connection to the family is through Catherine, daughter of my 2nd great grandaunt.  Catherine was born in Portsmouth around 1879, her father Charles William Thorne a Royal Navy engineer, her mother Catherine Day Borrett a native of Greenwich.

I've learned that Ireland Island was home to a Royal Navy base, so perhaps there is a link.

According to information on LDS Family Search, Catherine (Thorne) Williams died in Reseda, California, and her husband in England six years later.  I am very interested in learning the story behind these relatives and perhaps communicating with  descendants, if they exist.

Any help much appreciated.

Wayne, Ohio, USA.

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