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The Common Room / Re: Ancestry Subscriptions
« on: Monday 11 January 21 01:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jayandjay,

You do not get access to birth certificates.  A lot depends on what country your research originates from as the information will vary for different countries. 

I suggest that you try the 14 day free trial and this will give you an idea about what you will have access to.  When using the trial you have to make sure that you cancel your trial before the 14 days.

Regards Kaybron

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA - What's the point?
« on: Saturday 17 October 20 10:38 BST (UK)  »
Yes, husband's half brother has met all of the family, including 2 other half brothers and a number of nieces and nephews.  Sadly, he was not able to meet his father as he died over 35 years ago.  We have had several family dinners and all meet up whenever we can.  When we head off to Adelaide (capital city of SA) from the rural town where we live, we drive within 10 minutes of his place, so call in whenever we can. Lots of phone calls and text messages also. We don't know if my father-in-law knew he had another son or managed to keep this to himself for 66 years. 

London and Middlesex / Re: William Thomas Hammond born 28 November 1873
« on: Saturday 17 October 20 08:11 BST (UK)  »
Thank you AVM228,  I was really starting to doubt if I had the correct William Thomas who married Hannah Thick. 

Regards Kaybron

London and Middlesex / Re: William Thomas Hammond born 28 November 1873
« on: Saturday 17 October 20 07:27 BST (UK)  »
In 1891 William is living at 149 Kings Rd, Chelsea as an errand boy for a Surgeon, Joseph and Mary Cary.  He gives his birthplace as Newcastle. 

In 1901 William is married to Hannah and he is working as a Doctor's Dispenser.  His birthplace is given as Durham.  William and Hannah have 3 sons: Thomas, Walter and Leonard.

What I do find interesting is Hannah gives her residence place as 27 Milman Street on her marriage certificate.  This is where Thomas Hammond and his wife Mary Ann are living in 1891. 

Thank you for replying. 

London and Middlesex / Re: William Thomas Hammond born 28 November 1873
« on: Saturday 17 October 20 06:51 BST (UK)  »
Hannah and William Thomas married December 24 1893.  William has his age as 23 which would give his birth year as 1870 not 1873.  Perhaps he added several years as he was younger than Hannah.  He also has his father named as William Thomas, not Thomas Hammond.  The profession of father is correct, Coachman.  One of the witnesses is Frances Brown, possibly his sister who married Francis Brown. 

I have attached the marriage certificate.

London and Middlesex / William Thomas Hammond born 28 November 1873
« on: Saturday 17 October 20 03:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I have completed quite a bit of research on a William Thomas Hammond, his birth registered in the sub district of Hanover Square, Middlesex on the 28 November 1873.  His parents are a Thomas Hammond and Mary Ann Hammond, formerly Cotterill.  (I have the certificate for this and there is also a baptism record on Ancestry for this.)  Thomas Hammond was baptized in 1820 in Petworth, Sussex and Mary Ann in 1841 in Berkshire England.

I have Thomas in the 1861 Census as living in the parish of St Martin in the Fields, Middlesex, working as a Stablehand.  Thomas married Mary Ann Cotterill on Oct 29 1865 in Teesdale, Durham, Yorkshire.  Mary Ann and Thomas remained in Durham for several years and by the time the 1871 Census was taken they had moved to Norwood, Middlesex and then later to Chelsea, London where Thomas worked as a Groom and Coachman.

The children I have for Mary Ann and Thomas are:

Martha Bell (baptized May 6, 1860)  born prior to marriage of Thomas and Mary Ann therefore Thomas may not be the father.  Martha lived with her grandparents Joseph and Maria for over 10 years but then by 1881 was living in London.  In 1881 she is living with Elizabeth Maria.  Martha married a Henry Harry Harrold and then later a George Strevens.  Martha was in the London County Lunatic Asylum for a number of years.

Joseph Henry born October 10 1862 in Streatley, Berkshire.  Joseph did at the age of 12 years.  Again, not sure if Joseph is a son of Thomas.

Elizabeth Maria, bory September 17 1866 in Staindrop, Durham.  Married a Charles Reuben Charman in Chelsea in 1888.

Frances (Fanny) Ann Mary birth registered in 1868 in Teesdale, Durham.  Married Francis Herbert Brown in Chelsea in 1890.

Charlotte Sarah, baptized 1871 and married George Henry James Molyneaux in 1896 in Hampshire.

William Thomas, born November 28 1873 and married a Hannah Thick on December 24, 1893 in Chelsea.

Harriet Emma, born July 17 1875 and married a Walter Gladstone on December 26, 1904 in Chelsea.

Harry Samuel, born January 10, 1878 and married Ellen (Nellie) Greenwood on February 10, 1897 in Chelsea.

Rosa Louisa, born July 17, 1883 and married Arthur Charles Staddon on March 15, 1903 in Chelsea.

The person that I am interested in is William Thomas Hammond.  I have William Thomas marrying Hannah Thick but I am not sure if this is the correct marriage.   There are a number of things on the marriage certificate that ring bells that this is the correct marriage, but a couple of things are not correct.  Additionally the William Thomas I have followed through with Census data has varied places of birth.  I have newspaper articles stating that Hannah and William had separated and Electoral Registers have William living at 29a Tetcott Road, Chelsea from 1919 until his death in 1928.  I have a death certificate for a William Thomas and also a newspaper report that was in the paper for an inquest into the death.

I do have a Hammond tree on Ancestry.  There are a number of trees on Ancestry with William Thomas married to a Hannah Thick in them but all differ from mine.  I am starting to doubt if my research is not correct and I have things not right on my tree.

Regards Kay

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA - What's the point?
« on: Saturday 17 October 20 01:55 BST (UK)  »
DNA was very useful to my husband.  He discovered he had a half brother.  Out of the blue he received a phone call from someone who thought he was related to my husband but did not know how. This person had been looking for his father for over 40 years and had, with the help of a second cousin match, narrowed down his father to be one of three.  He asked if my husband was willing to do a DNA test.  Six weeks later we had results back and they confirmed that my husband's father had a son, born a year before he had married my husband's mother.   

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: 154 cM Match
« on: Thursday 23 January 20 12:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you sugarfizzle.  I will see if both are willing to complete a test.  Both are interested in family history.  One in particular has written 2 books on our family and had them published.  He has been involved in traditional methods of research for over 40 years and may be open to use new technology to assist in solving mysteries.  I can only ask.

I will keep investigating some of the avenues you have suggested.  I am in touch with the person who manages Mary's son's tree and DNA results and we are working together to try and establish our connection.

Regards Kaybron

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: 154 cM Match
« on: Thursday 23 January 20 11:19 GMT (UK)  »
Yes there are living descendants.  A son of one of the great uncles and a daughter of the other great uncle.  I am not sure how I would go asking them to take a test.  I understand this would be a good way to help work things out.  I recently emailed both of them as I touch base with them every so often and update on births and deaths in my family and any other family history information.  They both live in England and I live in Australia.  I did tell them about my husband's recent discovery of a half brother through an Ancestry DNA test, something that was a huge surprise for him.  There was no intention of asking them to do a test, simply to let them know of something quite remarkable that happened with my husband's family, a situation that has been extremely positive on both sides. One has replied to my email and nothing was mentioned about DNA, the other has not replied to my email.  Not sure if he still has the same email, perhaps he may be not well.

I do know that the 154 cM match, his mother Mary does not know who her father was.  Mary and all of my father's family lived in close proximity to one another.  Mary's birth certificate gives a father's name but this is not her real father according to her son.  In the 1911 Census, the father named on the birth certificate was living at an address where my grandfather and my great uncle were living.

It is possible that my grandfather does have a half brother and I do not know about this yet.  Anything is possible.

Regards Kaybron

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