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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Thursday 20 April 23 02:21 BST (UK)  »
Hi Eyesee,  Dundee provided a link in an earlier post to the St James records.  I can see that there are other Southee family that I can have a look at.

Lucy2, I do have a very low match (21Cm - 4th to 6th Cousin) on Ancestry where we have a Common Ancestor with a 4th Great Grandfather.  This person does have Southee family on her tree so I will contact and see if there is extra information that she can provide.

Regards Kaybron

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Wednesday 19 April 23 07:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi All, Thank you for the responses, assistance and advice.  I have also ordered the Marriage Printout as this may have more information than is on the Certificate.  This is my first time with New Zealand records so still learning what is available.

I will have a look at some of the trees on Ancestry for John and Sophia Southee.  There are quite a few but will try to find some where there is a closer connection to John or Sophia.  Many of the trees have a huge number of entries on them and the owners may know very little.  When I look at Ancestry hints there are several owners of trees who have uploaded official documents so will message them and try to find out more.

After the Marriage Printout is emailed I will see what this reveals and if necessary see if I can get the Intention to Marry for Mary Ann and Reuben Short. 

Thank you to everyone who has offered advice and thoughts.

Regards Kaybron

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Wednesday 19 April 23 03:01 BST (UK)  »
I have just ordered the marriage certificate for Mary Ann Southee and Richard Clifton.  I have seen one of the Intention to Marry documents that was uploaded on an Ancestry tree for another Southee.  The information was quite useful.

Kaybron

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Wednesday 19 April 23 02:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi minniehaha, Dundee, jonw65 and Eyesee,  I agree that all of the dates given in the news articles are a bit of a mixup.  The many trees on Ancestry for Southee children of John and Ann, his first wife, and Sophia his second wife have varying birth years. The baptism record for Henry Wilkinson (H. T. W.)  is February 20 1837. His mother is Sophia and father John Southee.  Mary baptized at the chapel in July 2 1825, Mother Ann and father John Sophia.  Lastly Mary Ann was baptized at the chapel June 1835, Mother Sophia and father John Southee.  I realize that baptisms can be some time after birth.  The Mary Ann who came out on the Lady Nugent is very likely to be the child born in 1835 and not 1825. 

In some of the articles about Mary Ann Short/Southie nearing her 100th birthday or having reached her 100th birthday, her younger brother is mentioned (HTW).  The age gap between them does not tally when you look at the ages on various documents and they also change in each article. 

I will do as suggested and order the 1854 marriage certificate of Mary Ann Southee to Richard Clifton and see what is on this.

Regards Kaybron


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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Tuesday 18 April 23 11:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi Debra,  Checking through notes, I did realize that I had given the incorrect date for the first marriage.

There were a few write ups in the paper about Mary Ann reaching 100 years and also on her headstone there is mention of reaching 100 years.

This is a link to an article published in the paper in 1923.  Mary Ann recalls events in the early days and also mentions that she will be turning 100 soon. 

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MT19230711.2.72?end_date=31-12-1925&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=Mrs+Short&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1923

Regards Kaybron

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Tuesday 18 April 23 09:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi Spades,  Thank you for all the links and also for providing the ages of John and Sophia's children on the Lady Nugent.  The age for Mary Ann (7) ties in with the baptism at the Ebenezer Chapel in 1835. 

It is strange that in the Family Information sheet about Mary Ann Southee/Short that she states that she was born in 1824 and there are several write ups relating to her 100th birthday.  These do not tie in with being aged 7 on the Lady Nugent. 

In reply to your query about Alfred's death on the ship, I was mistaken with this.  He died in 1841 in Wellington.  I found this on NZ Cemetery Records.

Perhaps Mary Ann Southee/Short was on the ship under another name.

jonw65 Yes it is odd having a Mary Ann when Mary was still alive.  Maybe the Mary Ann was telling a few lies and passing herself off as her older half-sister.  This is odd as if she was born in 1833-1835, she married her first husband in 1848 when she was 13 or 15.

Regards Kaybron   

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Tuesday 18 April 23 08:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi johnw65,  I have looked at this entry but what I am confused with is that there are a number of articles on Past Papers where Mary Ann Short (wife of Reuben Short and daughter of John Southee) recounts here early days in New Zealand.  Mary Ann gives a birth date of 17 December 1824 and says that her father is John Southee.  She came to NZ on the "Lady Nugent" when she was 16 or 17.  She died when she was 100 years and 6 months which gives a birth year of 1825. 

Regards Kaybron

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Tuesday 18 April 23 08:02 BST (UK)  »
Thank you spades for the links.  I will have a look through these.

My interest in the Southee family is that one of my 4th Great Grandfather's children (Eliza Whibley), married a William Sunnex and the family emigrated to NZ.  One of Eliza and William's children married  George Southee, a brother of Mary Ann Southee/Short. 

After completing a DNA test a couple of years ago I had lots of matches with people in New Zealand and I could not work out how.  I am finally working things out and adding to my tree.

Regards Kaybron

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Looking for Mary Ann Southee emigrated to New Zealand 1841
« on: Tuesday 18 April 23 07:35 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Spades for replying.  I have provided most of the information that I know of the Mary Ann Southee/Short who ways that she was born in 1824 and emigrated to New Zealand on the "Lady Nugent".  The only info I have left out is that she was married a Richard Clifton in 1854.

John and Sophia Southee did have children in New Zealand, Eliza, Joseph and Caroline.  I do have the info I need on them.  It is only the Mary Ann baptized 1835 in Birchington, Kent that I would like to explore further.

I have not been able to find anything on Mary Ann born 1835 apart from the baptism record on the Ebenezer Chapel records.  I have looked on Family Search but cannot find a death/burial for Mary Ann.  Mary Ann Southee/Short said that when she came to NZ it was with 3 sisters and 2 brothers.  I did think this was 2 sisters (half-sister Mary Ann and Elizabeth who was born on the "Lady Nugent".  Her 3 half brothers would be William, George, Henry Thomas and possibly Alfred who died on the ship.  It is possible that Mary Ann died on the ship.

I don't know if accurate records were kept on those that died on the "Lady Nugent" and if there are where they could be found.

There are extensive trees on Ancestry for John and Sophia Southee on Ancestry, but there is some confusion with there being children of John Southee being name Mary/Mary Ann, one with Ann Brooks (1824) and the second with Sophia Sharpe (1835). 

I will chase up the Wellington Pioneer Roll and see what I can find there.

Regards Kaybron

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