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Northumberland / Re: Richard Embleton of Newcastle - Help!
« on: Sunday 24 October 10 09:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi Michael,
It's very interesting that Robson Riddell got the iron-foundry as he's mentioned in one of the London Gazette announcements which, basically, sets a date for arbitration between Richard, Robson Riddell and John Wailes concerning the matter of the iron-foundry at Skinner Barn in Newcastle, which was being run by Richard Embleton and Robson Riddell in copartnership as Richard Embleton & Co. Riddell obviously bought Richard's share.

Thanks again,


Northumberland / Re: Richard Embleton of Newcastle - Help!
« on: Friday 22 October 10 21:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi folks,

Thanks for you hard work! Michael, I've searched all the parish cemeteries but not Ballast Hills. I didn't realise there was a municipal cemetery around at the time, so that's got to be my next port of call.
Janis, the Canterbury Prerogative Court Index looks very promising; I haven't come across an Edward before, so he would be a new piece of the puzzle.
As regards the use of "late of the Town and County of Newcastle", there is a usual terminology used in the London Gazette to announce a bankruptcy which starts " Whereas a Commission of Bankrupt is awarded and issued forth against X of the town of Y and County of Z"; in Richard's case, however, it states "Richard Embleton, now or late of the town and county of" as early as 12/12/1828 which to me indicates he might already be deceased.
Janis, thaks for your hard work. I've checked Gateshead and also Ryton (they had a country estate there), and every parish in Northumberland. I'm now determined to get in my car and drive up to Tyne & Wear Archives next week. Thanks to everyone for giving me a more precise avenues of enquiry.

Northumberland / Re: Richard Embleton of Newcastle - Help!
« on: Thursday 21 October 10 20:28 BST (UK)  »
I was thinking that you had to be a male landowner to vote at the time, but, having just looked in my British History book, it was that Reform Act of 1832 that extended the vote to men paying more that 10 a year in rent.  A female house holder wouldn't have had the vote at any rate.

Northumberland / Re: Richard Embleton of Newcastle - Help!
« on: Wednesday 20 October 10 10:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ratcliff,

Thanks for that, but I'm pretty certain that Richard died at some point between 1828 and 1833. I did wonder if he committed suicide and might not be buried in a churchyard. Is that likely, do you think?
Against this theory is that the suicide of a bankrupt industrialist would surely have made the papers, and it still leaves the problem of where Thomas is buried.

Thanks again for helping,


Northumberland / Re: Richard Embleton of Newcastle - Help!
« on: Tuesday 19 October 10 23:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Pat,

In answer to your query, yes, all those Richard Embleton's are the same man. The real reason I want to find out where he is buried is so I can dig him up and throw stones at him for losing ALL that money!!!  ;D
What do the parliamentary registers tell you? Are they like electoral registers? If so, I doubt it's worth looking for my Embletons - they'd have been too poor to vote by then.  :-\
Thanks for replying,

Northumberland / Re: Richard Embleton of Newcastle - Help!
« on: Tuesday 19 October 10 23:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi Radcliff,
Thanks for the quick reply. The children are:

Elizabeth bap 25 Jun 1813
Ann bap 14 May 1814 (on 1841 census)
Thomas bap 13 Aug 1816 died 15 Jul 1833
George bap 11 Feb 1818
William Henry bap 21 Oct 1819 died 23 Jan 1879 ( my g-g- grandfather - I know quite a lot about him)
Ellen Maria bap 16 Mar 1821 (on 1841 & 1851 census)
Eleanor Maria bap 22 Apr 1822
Richard Edward Heaton bap 29 Aug 1823
Charlotte Faulkner bap 3 Jun 1825 (on 1841 census)
John McKnight bap 18 Sep 1826 (on 1841 census)
Charles James bap 14 Apr 1829 (on 1841 & 1851 census)
Where I've indicated that they are on the census that means that they are living with their mother at Dean Court in Newcastle on the census in those years.

Northumberland / Richard Embleton of Newcastle - Help!
« on: Tuesday 19 October 10 22:14 BST (UK)  »
I've been struggling with this for some time and hope that there's someone out there that might think of a new direction to take.
I can't find either a birth or death for my 3xg-grandfather Richard Embleton, but here's what I do know about him.

He was married to Elizabeth McKnight on 17 Nov 1812 at St John, Newcastle by licence. The licence states he is " age 21 and upwards".
They proceeded to have 11 children, all baptised at St John, the last being baptised 14 April 1829, and there is nothing in the transcript about Richard being deceased.
The death of their eldest son, Thomas, was announced in the Newcastle Courant 20th July 1833 and states that he is "Thomas, son of the late Mr Richard Embleton, tanner".
Richard makes the newspapers on several other occasions, mostly to do with his bankruptcy!  It is announced in the London Gazette on 12 Dec 1828 and describes him as "now or late of the Town and County of Newcastle" and continues to do so until 1 Dec 1829 when he is described as just "late".
I can't find a burial for either him or Thomas at any church in Newcastle or for any other Embleton children for that matter.
Would a bankrupty be pursued against someone who was dead?. Two of the assets sold as part of the bankruptcy were two life assurance policies for 1000 each, and these were advertised to be sold on 31 July 1829. Would he be alive or dead at that point?
I should point out that the parish records I've been looking at are the Bishop's Transcripts on LDS.
Anyone got any bright ideas of where to look next??

Lancashire / Re: liverpool 1800's parish records
« on: Sunday 18 July 10 00:10 BST (UK)  »
Hi Andras,

Most of the churches that have records on there go back to the 1800's and much further. However there are still a lot of church records to be transcribed.

The Lancashire Online Parish Clerk web site lists all churches in Liverpool, West Derby and Toxteth even if there are no records for them online yet. Search the site with all the details you have. If you don't get any hits then at least you know which churches you don't have to look at. :D
Any information that you have that will narrow down your search will be helpful i.e. was he Catholic or Protestant or any other denomination; do you know his father's or mother's name, or any brothers or sisters names; do you know what his job was - you might find something useful in trade directories.


Lancashire / Re: liverpool 1800's parish records
« on: Saturday 17 July 10 23:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Andras,

There are possibly hundreds of churches in Liverpool! Why don't you have a look at:

This is not an exhaustive list of baptisms, but it might help you narrow down your search.
It would help if you could get a more precise year of birth. Why do you think he was born in Liverpool?

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