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Is that gas lighting in the top left?  If so not very safe!
Safer than the trenches. I know where I'd rather be.

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World War One / Re: Why the Gordon Highlanders?
« on: Tuesday 25 June 19 21:42 BST (UK)  »
Forces War Records have the 51/FA medical record for William:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nz0/
You'll have to pay & it probably won't tell you much.
Update:
The 51/FA were at Reningelst on the 6th. Feb. having taken over from the 7/FA that day so he was probably in before the 6th. but will only appear on the 51/FA list from the day they took over.
The 7/FA was in the 3rd. Division, 7th. Brigade the same as the 1/Gordons & would have gone to Serques with them leaving William behind until well enough to join them.

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World War One / Re: Why the Gordon Highlanders?
« on: Tuesday 25 June 19 21:27 BST (UK)  »
On the 6th. Feb. 1916 they were on the move from Reningelst (Belgium) to Serques (France).
Probably something foot related.
Will look at the other date but it is better if we can see what you're looking at.
He may have been seconded for a short time to the Seaforths, this often happened between Battalions.

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World War One / Re: Why the Gordon Highlanders?
« on: Tuesday 25 June 19 18:04 BST (UK)  »
The 14 Star was commonly called the Mons Star.
His medical records would have been with his service/pension records which don't appear to exist.
This his Pension ledger on Fold3 but I don't a sub for that.
It doesn't look like from the sample that it gives that info.
Did the museum tell you he lost an arm or has it come from somewhere else?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nyx/
All I can find is this:

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World War One / Re: Why the Gordon Highlanders?
« on: Tuesday 25 June 19 16:32 BST (UK)  »
Forgot to add he received the 14 Star + Clasp & Roses for entering a theatre of war during that year & the qualifying date is at the bottom.
This marked him out as a "Mons man" or an Old Contemptable as they liked to be called.
His other 2 are the British War & Victory Medals.
Also listed is his SWB.

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World War One / Re: Why the Gordon Highlanders?
« on: Tuesday 25 June 19 16:28 BST (UK)  »
I take it you mean this one.

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World War One / Re: Why the Gordon Highlanders?
« on: Tuesday 25 June 19 15:57 BST (UK)  »
His enlistment came from the Silver War Badge records on Ancestry:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nyw/
He wasn't TF. He would have joined a local Regt. in Liverpool as he would have had to attended regular training sessions if he was.
A common route was to join for 6 under the Colours & 6 on reserve.
So joining in 1904 he would have been out by 1910. Being on reserve would have meant he could be recalled at any time during that 6 year period.
Up to early 1916 & 12 year man was considered "time served" & had the right to a discharged irrespective of war.
When conscription was brought in that year the law was changed so that men like him could be retained for the duration. Unfortunately it cost him an arm.

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World War One / Re: Unfit for further military service?
« on: Tuesday 25 June 19 15:44 BST (UK)  »
As an aside the diary states they were in trenches around Authuille Wood when the Germans launched a counter-attack. He was one of three men who died as a result.
Square X1 on this map:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101464804

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World War One / Re: Unfit for further military service?
« on: Tuesday 25 June 19 15:05 BST (UK)  »
He would have re-enlisted. It's wasn't that unusual.
The 1/8th. was a TF outfit so he would have been embodied after the outbreak of war but didn't go overseas with them (March 1915).
His only overseas Batt. was the 1/6th. this was also a TF Batt. & part of the same Brigade as the 1/8th.
It may be a case of him being re-assessed after conscription was introduced.
or
He may have joined under the Derby scheme late 1915 which would have given him some say in which Regiment he went in.

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