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The Common Room / Re: Died in asylum: mentally ill?
« on: Thursday 07 January 21 22:42 GMT (UK)  »
Workhouses and Asylums had their own medical facilities, and these were generally the only hospitals available to the general public. From the few death/burial records that I have seen I noticed that patients had their usual address included, usually under their name. Inmates, by definition, do not have an alternative address.

Since it was his son who registered death (present at death?) also suggests that he was admitted as a patient.


The Common Room / Re: Query about Birth Registration
« on: Sunday 20 December 20 23:01 GMT (UK)  »
I have a couple who married in 1938 in Dewsbury district. They both had fairly uncommon surnames and the combination of the two seems to be unique. By 1939 they were living in Hull. I had searched for children for the couple for about five years after marriage date, but found nothing, Then I extended the search area and time and found two children registered in the same quarter in 1947 with "a" and "b" after the page number in Oxford RD. Am I right in thinking this would be a late registration?

I believe that each District and sub-District were allocated specific numbers of pages for their quarterly returns, but if there were more  events than expected then it was usual to use spare pages and number them by adding A, B, etc. to the final page number.
It may well be that they were twins and one was the last entry on page A and the other the first on page B. On FreeBMD, clicking on page number will bring up an alphabetical list of names on the page, so would not help to confirm.


The Common Room / Re: Two surnames for husband in GRO record: why?
« on: Thursday 17 December 20 21:39 GMT (UK)  »
If there is any doubt about letters or names then each will be transcribed separately to ensure all possibilities are covered. Each will have the same reference.

I don't think this helps the query.
If there was any doubt about the surname should there not have been an annotation to denote such on the cert. the OP has?
If there's no annotation & he's indexed under both surnames this (I think) would say he'd been using 2 different surnames at different times.
However, the wording of 'or' isn't something I've seen, it's usually 'previously' or 'formerly' or 'Alias'.


Sorry I was not sufficiently clear Annie. If the Indexer was not sure about the surname eg. Burton or Barton, then he would create an index entry for each, thus ensuring the GRO could find the certificate should a copy be required. There would be no entry or note made on the certificate itself.
Without knowing the 2 surnames, I am just making a suggestion that this may be the case.


ADDED: There seems to be some confusion as to whether there are 2 separate entries for each surname, or a single entry with both names but I've never seen one like that.

The Common Room / Re: Two surnames for husband in GRO record: why?
« on: Wednesday 16 December 20 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
Many moons ago I used to transcribe for FreeBMD and have come across many similar entries.
The GRO Index is a finding aid to allow them to find a specific certificate.
It is compiled from quarterly returns of certificates, where names are extracted and an alphabetical index produced. If there is any doubt about letters or names then each will be transcribed separately to ensure all possibilities are covered. Each will have the same reference.


The Common Room / Re: Ireland Help with Eggins family
« on: Wednesday 09 December 20 23:15 GMT (UK)  »
The Westminister person seems to have had a son also Joseph Eggins and twin daughters Ann and Mary all born in Ireland.  In 1841 young Joseph is 22 and the twins are 15ys old.
The Wesminster Joseph's wife is Ann "somebody"  also from Ireland.  And I don't know where in Ireland.

It is one of the twins that died in Australia in 1902 Ann daughter of Joseph Eggins and Ann unknown.
It is a thought that the Strand one might be the previous generation?

Just browsing again, and it looks as though you are basing the fact of twins being on their ages in the 1841 census, BUT ages in the 1841 were rounded down to 5 years from ages 15 and over., so Ann and Mary were in the age group 15-19 and could be for eg. 16 and 19.

Another point to clarify (just in case) Native of... actually means birthplace.
Rather appropriate for this time of year, ie Nativity.  :)  ;D

The Common Room / Re: Do UKBMD birth dates backdate?
« on: Monday 07 December 20 21:40 GMT (UK)  »
The local Registrars records are held differently to the GRO who index them in the quarter they were submitted. Local records are indexed by the year of event, irrespective of when the registration was made.

Best wishes to all,
 :) :) :)

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Charles Barnard and family 1841
« on: Friday 27 November 20 22:01 GMT (UK)  »
I have a solution to the strange order.
Mary Ann is not Charles' wife, possibly Sister in Law.
Charles lists his son, then Mary Ann lists her children, daughters first then son.
I can't make out the names of the 2 Poke Makers but could be Mary Ann's relatives/parents.

Very speculative and probably spectacularly wrong but it does sort of fit.


Family History Beginners Board / Re: Killed in WW2
« on: Tuesday 24 November 20 23:38 GMT (UK)  »
You are not talking rubbish Colin.  Reply 7 refers re mmn.  Albert is a sibling of the ancestor Dave is researching hence knowing mmn was Wiley.  He refers to him as his wife’s uncle in his opening post

Thanks for that  :)
With such a common surname I would suggest that confirming the MMN is the way forward.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Killed in WW2
« on: Tuesday 24 November 20 22:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All, I haven't done any serious research for a few years now, but still browse through RC.
One thing that troubles me about the correct birth cert. is that it hinged on Dave's claim that mothers MN is Wiley. So, how did Dave arrive at that conclusion and, is it right?

If I am talking rubbish, which is not uncommon, then please ignore me  ::)


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