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Looking for help  to find the birth of John Bennell B.1800 and James Bennell B. 1809 all I know of there birth is in Whitechaple London
 There father was John Bennell and mother Mary Munsey they came from Colchester
John Sn was a Bricklayer Freemans Admissions 1795 Colchester
Also looking for the Freemans Addmissions for John (Bricklayer/Builder) and James (Painter and Glazier)  ???in London
Thanks Karen

Hello again
Just watching your chatter you have puts new thoughts into my head
Could Frances be the Railway Servant, would she have put her occ down on Josephs birth , she seems to have landed on her feet after 1851 census, good for her
If Thomas was in prison what would he have done to get about 10 yrs ? one would have thought they would have sent  him out here as a convict,
Hannah looks like she died before 1851
Could Frances have been with one of her relos and gone by there last name ie Silcock
Who would the best certificate to get Sophia birth 1853
Frances Death ? not sure of date
Thomas birth 1842-3
Thomas Death where was that 
 B.D M in Aust give more info on the death than UK we get mother, father, where born, cause of death, and children, if the informant was a relative  or new family ( that could have helped here) Grateful for any help you you can give me to get further with my Smiths would be great if we can find all of the family in 1851
I found a Thomas 1851 census as Labourer in Prison Wakefield Yorkshire  b.1809 b. Lancashire
Thomas B.1806  Manchester , Soldier Wakefield Yorkshire
Thomas Oldham Butcher Manchester
All possibles but where is FRANCES
Kaza

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Joseph Smith birth certificate reads
b. june 1854 New Town Peterboro
Name Joseph
Father: Thomas Smith-   Deacead
Mother Frances Smith, formerly Silcock
Occ Railway Servant

Marrage Certificate  Manchester
14 feb 1874
Joseph John Smith : aged 19  occ: Stock Keeper
Sarah Hoby   : aged     17
Father Thomas Wilkes Smith : Occ Butcher
Father George Hoby  :  Occ  Boot Maker
On the birth cert it didnt have Joseph John Smith or Thomas Wilkes Smith but I still think these are my Josephs certificates
Its such a pain having Smith as last name like looking for a needle in a hay stack, hope you can sort me out or point me in another direction Kaza

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1851 Census for Thomas Smith

B.abt 1801 Manchester, Lancashire
Civil Parish.       Oldham
Ecclesiastical Parish.   Waterhead
Town.   Waterhead Mill
County.   Lancashire
Occ . Butcher
Reg dist.  Oldham
 Institution.  1W
Household no. 100
 There is other Smiths there at same adress
 Joseph Smith aged 66 is a widow and head, Farmer (owner)
John Smith     Nephew    farm labourer aged 35  Yorkshire
John Wolfenden    son    aged 29     gardener  (not sure Son-in-law )
Susan Wolfenden  daughter-in-law ( not sure if she is Josephs daughter )
Mary   5   Granddaughter
Joseph  1   Grandson
Thomas Smith           inmate  any help  were is Fanny
Kaza