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sorry to bombard you with questions Cladhan.

Could you supply me with "old school" details on the location of this specific memorial?  I know you have suggested what3words, but I am a bit of a dinosaur - Don't have an Apple device to download the app.  Can you give me an actual old style map or "lair" type details?  A sister of mine has just flown from Australia for a quick trip to Scotland, - she won't have time to add to her schedule, but would have been great for her to do a "Dalbeth" trip, as lots of the family have done over the years without knowing fully what family history lies there.... Cheers

Hi there Sancti,

Hadn't thought of doing a Poor Law Relief search - thanks for the reminder.  Haven't done one of them for a long time - hope the system is still the same.... The wife Mary McNab (Martin) had an enormously stressful time, so there are strong possibilities of some records - and when finding these sort of records for other family members, have found a wealth of information!!  Will chase it up

Hi Sancti

Thanks for these newspaper clippings... I had already found the first and third of them, but not the second which states that the body was considerably decomposed..... Now that certainly begins to add to the option that in fact the Hugh McNab on the memorial  is likely to be my Hugh who was the body in Greenock harbour.  Can you tell me what newspaper that second one was from?  If in fact my Hugh went "missing" for a considerable time, it certainly adds to the sadness of the story.  His wife Mary Martin went through so many losses - I have sent more detailed info to Cladhan.... And Hugh's own family, siblings and parents have sorry tales to tell.  It seems that after moving to Glasgow, they went through the issues of "Poor Law Relief", "Fever Hospital", losing their 4 daughters (rangeing from causes as TB - to "Fever" in the far off land of Karachi), after about 8 years the parents appear to move back to Ireland, with a grandaughter (who disappears from records)... and they end up dying in 1885 and 1890 - the father dying in the Poor House.   Wow, - the tales of ancestors who endured these incredibly difficult times - deserve to be rememebered... We wouldn't be here today without them!!!

Hi Cladhan,

I presume the "Ditto" before the date on the Memorial signifies the actual known date of death? Or could it be a date of "missing"?? And are the names necessarily persons actually buried there? (Have very strong evidence of Hugh's burial at Greenock cemetery). I suppose trying (!!!) to gain access to any surviving Bridgeton RC records  might help.  I am definitely one for verification before believing the "possibilities"!!  As Hugh is my Great grandfather, I am eager to take the story further.  Typical Irish family -  1864 Hugh, his parents and five siblings came over from Co. Tyrone.   Within 7 or 8 years, 4 sisters married and died very young (one of them in Karachi with soldier husband - she and 3 month baby died of fever, buried there,) - Hugh himself had first marriage to Anne Mooney who died in childbirth.  Second marriage Mary Martin - 6 children of whom 4 died in infancy.  Mary lost Hugh, her brother and a toddler all within a couple of months. Cannot find anything significant re the family in 1883/1884 apart from the birth of that toddler in July 1883...  Have a couple of newspaper items for Hugh's death or at least for the finding of his body on 3rd March 1884. - One of them says "... Dressed in dark corded shooting coat and vest, dark tweed trousers, blue and white striped shirt, elastic sided boots (iron heels).  No property of any kind found in his pockets".  I always thought that seemed a fairly decent outfit for a foundry labourer??  Clothes in this condition surely wouldn't signify a great time in the water?? - therefore could he have gone "awol" in October - been elsewhere, got into trouble and had a sad ending in March?   I doubt that there would be much in the way of "Missing persons" data for the Glasgow of those days....   To think of various family members who have visited Dalbeth over the years, - we know where Hugh's wife Mary etc are buried, but never for a moment thought that there could be another memorial pertaining to our Hugh.  The possibility seems strong - no other Hugh McNab relevant age/October date on Scotlandspeople....   A great mystery to unravel - Sometimes takes years, but so often people on Rootschat have knocked down my brick walls!!!   What are you thoughts Cladhan?