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Australia / Re: Louisa/Maude Moss
« on: Tuesday 13 October 20 04:49 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone, especially Sue for her afternoon's work.  Henry Jones, Jane Moss' supposed "brother" certainly did not read in Court, as a particularly nice type of person.  I can only assume that he was possibly a "father figure" for my little Louisa/Maude!  However, as residents in the Vineyard area, they seem to have been the pillar of society.  I did find an article on Louisa, implying that she went to Sunday School in Windsor and had won a prize.

I do have a Death Transcript for Jane (11 June 1927).  Her father's name and occupation Unknown, but her mother's maiden name was Henrietta Roberts.  Witnesses to Jane's death were F Morris and
W H Roberts (?)  Her place and age at marriage shown as Unknown and Children of Marriage only showed Maude, 31, Living and None Deceased.  Why was her only biological daughter (who was deceased) not shown too?  Her Spouse was shown as Thomas Moss (not noted that he was deceased). 

After the time she spent in Queensland, why was that not included?  Presumably the Informant to her death knew nothing of her past life!

A Thomas Moss died at Texas Flats, Queensland on 1 April, 1912.  His father shown as William Moss and it noted that he had one female child who was deceased (she died in 1909).  Informant to Thomas' death was Sarah Moss, his wife, of Texas.

I cannot "fathom" why little Maude was fostered by Jane Moss either.  Complete mystery and probably will remain so. 

Louise's middle names of Jennings and Cunneen I feel do give a clue as to who her biological father might have been!

"Brick Walls" are meant to be broken, but this one is still firmly in place!

Once again, thanks to everyone.


Australia / Re: Louisa/Maude Moss
« on: Monday 12 October 20 09:59 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone,
I have just returned from a four day break and did not take computer.  I will go through all your Posts properly tomorrow, but just glancing, there were things I certainly did not know.


Australia / Re: Louisa/Maude Moss
« on: Thursday 08 October 20 11:06 BST (UK)  »
Thank you Wivenhoe,

Henry Jones was (supposedly) Jane's brother.  However, when Jane's sister in England died (my husband found an article on her death some time ago) her name was 'Roberts' as was Jane's maiden name.  There is some doubt as to whether Henry was being passed off as her brother as it appears that he could have been "a good friend"!

I don't know anything more about Henry other than his existence.  I didn't know they were buried in Rookwood together though.


Australia / Re: Louisa/Maude Moss
« on: Thursday 08 October 20 07:24 BST (UK)  »
Hi Rosball & Wivenhoe,

To answer your questions.

Great Grandfather Dougall McDougall died 1924 in Randwick #12660 and his wife Janet McDougall died 1929 in Belmore, NSW #678

I do have Probate packets/Wills for both.  Dougal left his entire estate to Janet and she named most of her surviving children in her Will, although in both, there was no mention of Louisa/Maude or Jane Moss.

Agnes' Great granddaughter (or Maude's daughter) was the relative whose DNA was a close match to mine.

Agnes had a second child, daughter born on 8 April, 1897.  Agnes had married an American in Sydney in August, 1896, only a matter of months after giving birth to Louisa/Maude.  They married in Sydney and were divorced in 1900.

That baby only lived a few weeks.  Her death was May 1897.  She was premature.

I have had contact with Agnes' G. Granddaughter - the one whose DNA closely matched mine.

The Informant on Jane Moss' death certificate was her son in law - with whom she was staying at the time of her death.

She had been in the Colony 50 years (NSW).  There was no mention of her time in Queensland.

I also have Agnes' Probate/Will and the only ones mentioned in that are my mother and her brother.

Perhaps the latter two had no idea of the existence of Jane or Maude.  Agnes died in Adelaide whilst living with my parents but her ashes were returned to Sydney to be scattered at Rookwood.  I also have her husband's Probate (he died in 1938 and Agnes was the only beneficiary).

Hopefully I have answered your questions.


Australia / Re: Louisa/Maude Moss
« on: Wednesday 07 October 20 05:06 BST (UK)  »
Hello everyone,

Thank you all for your help and comments re this puzzle!  I did try and reply yesterday but when I hit "send", my computer said not connected, so lost the lot!!

Although the wedding notice said Mr and Mrs Malcolm McDougall of the Carrington Hotel, I feel this is a misprint as their names were definitely Dougal and Janet (nee Robertson) McDougall.  Dougal was the Licensee of this hotel for many years and 3 other hotels in the inner city at various times.  The Carrington is the only one that is still operating as a hotel in Surry Hills.

My husband has located a couple of articles on Jane Moss in Trove, one showing that she had been gaoled for horse stealing I think in the Tamworth area.  Thomas Moss was her husband and I think they and their little daughter migrated to Australia as a family.  I have not found anything further on Thomas.  Did he die and she became involved with other men?? 

Their daughter Mary Emily Jane certainly did marry John William Sweedman and I have made contact with a distant relative in Qld. on the Sweedman side.  I did know that Mary died reasonably young.  Sadly this relative could not give me any info on my little Louisa/Maud/e.

Louisa's full birth name was Louisa Jennings Cunneen McDougall - Illegimate.  She was born on 7 Feb 1896 at 563 Bourke St. Surry Hills, NSW, (her parent's home).  Her father was not listed.
Mother's maiden name was Agnes Urie McDougall who was aged 19 at the time.  Agnes was born in Glasgow, Scotland.  She was the Informant of Louisa's birth.  Witness was Mrs McKenzie and she was registered 14 March, 1896, Sydney.  Reg. No. #00606

I have a death transcript for Jane Moss too  :
Reg. No. #10400
Death - 11 June, 1927
Place of Death - Thomas Street, Northmead, Blacktown Shire (daughter's home I believe)
Old Age Pensioner, Aged 84
Cause - Chronic Myocarditis
Father's name and occupation - both unknown
Mother's maiden name - Henrietta Roberts
Buried 13 June 1927
At - Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood
Born - Coates, England
Her place and age at marriage - both unknown
Spouse - Thomas Moss (does not indicate if still alive at time of her death)
Children of Marriage - Maude 31, Living, None deceased!!

Maude was not actually a "child of the marriage" and why wasn't Mary Emily, her biological daughter mentioned - unless the informant was not aware of her existence or there had been a rift in the family and no contact either before/after Mary's death!

Jack McDougall was one of 6 sons of Janet and Dougal McDougall of the Carrington Hotel, 4 of whom served in WWI.  Only one returned.  Jack killed in Gallipoli.

I did look at Ancestry for an Edward Cunneen and found a William Edward Cunneen whose wife's maiden name was Jennings!  As both Cunneen and Jennings are surnames, I feel there is a definite clue here as to who the father of Louise might have been. Not necessarily William though!

Jane Moss was obviously known to Edward Cunneen as per the Court article sent, so did Louisa go to Jane Moss so she could be near her biological father?  As the McDougall's lived in Surry Hills and Jane in the Hawkesbury/Riverstone area, how did they know each other?

It was only through doing my DNA that all this came about - there was a very close match to me and the only one it could have been through was Agnes, which has turned out to be correct.  Whether my mother was aware that she had a half sister (two as it turned out!) is something I will never know.  This lady and I have had contact and was in fact a granddaughter of Louisa/Maude and she did know that Louisa had been brought up by Jane Moss but had no idea of the McDougall connection.  At least I could confirm one parent for her and with photos.

Many thanks again for help and if anyone can add anything, I would be very grateful.


Australia / Louisa/Maude Moss
« on: Sunday 04 October 20 05:45 BST (UK)  »
In recent times, I discovered that my Grandmother had a baby girl in 1896 whom she named Louisa Jennings Cuneen McDougall.  Although adoptions in Australia did not commence until 1924, Louisa was either given to or fostered by a Mrs Jane Moss.  At the time, the baby's mother, Agnes McDougall, was living with her family in Surry Hills, Sydney and Mrs Moss was in the Riverstone area.

I have no idea of the connection between my Great Grandparents/Grandmother and Mrs Moss, but they obviously kept in touch as my G. Grandparents attended the wedding of Louisa (whose name had been changed to Maud/e) in 1916, as per a wedding notice in the newspaper at the time.

I would love to find out more about this connection.  Whether my mother was aware of this baby who would have been her half sister, I have no idea.  Certainly nothing was ever mentioned!

I would be grateful if anyone can throw any light on this please.


Australia / Re: Shirley Maude Goode
« on: Sunday 04 October 20 05:11 BST (UK)  »
Hello Rosball,

I am still hoping to find some information on Shirley Maude Goode.  SW Livo is known to me and is a Grandson of Shirley.  Shirley gave birth to a daughter in January 1955 but the baby was adopted out and lived next door to me until her untimely death in 2016.  She only became aware of her adoption a few years before her death, after that of her adoptive mother. This came to light via adoption papers found as her adoptive father was going into care due to dementia.

As Shirley, her son Lawrence and my friend all died between the ages of 57 and 62, the family is anxious to know if there is a medical condition of which they should be aware.  My friend has two adult children in their thirties now.

At this point in time, my friend's family is unaware of the identity of her biological father.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Cheers, Dunscore

Other Countries / Agnes Corrie - Gilbert Islands/Kiribati
« on: Monday 22 April 19 08:59 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to find information on Agnes Corrie who was born in what were then the Gilbert Islands (now Kiribati) approximately 1888.  Her father was Robert David Corrie and mother Taoniti (named as Rhoda on a sibling's death certificate).  Agnes' mother died in childbirth with her.  I know she was alive in the early 1960's as she wrote an article (copy of which I have) in the Pacific Islands Monthly magazine.  In the article she also named her half siblings (her father remarried and had another 6 children).  Agnes did marry a Mike Shea but he died many years earlier.  Her half siblings were named as Sarah, Ruth, James, Charlotte, May and Mita.  Two of these children perished at sea with their father and mother in 1915 (a Government document confirms this).  I would love to find descendants of any of these 6 children, confirm which two perished at sea and also when Agnes died.  Although she did attend school in Sydney, to my knowledge she never left the Gilbert Islands after her schooling.

Other Countries / Re: Gilbert Islands, South Pacific
« on: Saturday 17 December 16 23:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Suevize,  I had not thought of that, so will check out contact details for the Seventh Day Adventists in Tarawa.


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