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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Look-up request: St Peter Parmentergate - EARL
« on: Saturday 17 June 17 09:21 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: solidrock on Saturday 17 June 17 02:46 BST (UK)
Mary Earl. b1752. death 30 Nov 1811, burial 03 Dec 1811. Norwich, St Peter Mancroft. husband John.

Thanks for this, I'm not sure its her as John Earl remarried in 1807 in St Peter Parmentergate and was a widow then. I can't find a better death and burial at the moment though!

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Look-up request: St Peter Parmentergate - EARL
« on: Saturday 17 June 17 09:08 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: amondg on Saturday 17 June 17 06:34 BST (UK)
St Peter Per Mountergate Norwich
John Parsons Earl widower married Elizabeth Grey Blofield widow 3 September 1807, witness Ann Church, James Church Junior, Jane Sparrow Deacon

His first wife Mary Teasdale/Life/Earl must have died before September 1807.

Witness Ann Church is possibly his sister, a John Earl was a witness to the marriage of Ann Earl to James Church 1 May 1794 at St Peter Per Mountergate other witness Samuel Earl.

Super, thank you. I had the marriage but hadn't thought to look at the witnesses so that's a good lead, thanks so much. Yes I'm struggling to find Mary Earl's death but must be after Maria Earl's birth in 1799 and John's second marriage in 1807. I'm assuming St Peter Parmentergate due to their marriage in 1798, Maria's birth in 1799 and John's second marriage in 1807 all happening there but happens it's not.

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Look-up request: St Peter Parmentergate - EARL
« on: Saturday 17 June 17 09:03 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Saturday 17 June 17 06:07 BST (UK)
Could this be a child of John's - transcript gives middle name as Pearson & not Parsons

Harriot Earl
Birth 14 Nov 1808
Baptism 18 Nov 1808
Father John Pearson Earl
Mother Elizabeth Delf
Norwich, St Peter Mancroft

Yes! Thank you so much, Harriot's the first child born to John Parsons Earl and his second wife Elizabeth Gray after Mary Earl's death. Now discovered she was born Elizabeth Gray Delf 1777 and then married William Blofield in 1803. 

I've also found Elizabeth Earl bap 28 Oct 1810 Norwich St Swithin to John and Elizabeth Dease. The image is really hard to read but I'm wondering if it's a mis-reading of Delf? Her DoB would fit perfectly with other children - there are 3 other I think, in different parishes, Emily Ann 1812, Eliza Sarah 1814, John Parsons Earl 1816.


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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Look-up request: St Peter Parmentergate - EARL
« on: Saturday 17 June 17 02:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I'm looking for a burial for MARY EARL (previously Mary Life and Mary Teasdale), St Peter Parmentergate, Norwich, between 1799 and 1807 please. Also any other children born in the parish to her and John Parsons Earl in that time besides Maria Earl.
Thank you so much!

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Norfolk / Re: Searching for marriage Woods/Stimpson pre-1837
« on: Sunday 04 June 17 12:15 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: trish1120 on Sunday 04 June 17 12:04 BST (UK)
Mary Ann as you probably know is with her Stimpson Grandparents in 1851.

Also nothing on-line that I can see for Johns Marriage to Frances Green 1867 ::)

Yes I have Mary Ann there, thank you. I'm guessing John and Frances married in 1864 or 1867 but I haven't worked out how to narrow it down yet so I know which certificate to get.

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Norfolk / Re: Searching for marriage Woods/Stimpson pre-1837
« on: Sunday 04 June 17 12:12 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: trish1120 on Sunday 04 June 17 11:50 BST (UK)
Did John remarry again?

1881 we have;
John Woods, 63
Frances Woods, 48
Alice Warden, 16, Neice



1871 Census
John Wadels, 54, Head, Mar, Coach Painter, born Shampshire****
Frances Wadels, 39, Wife, Mar
Frederick Wadels, 24, Son, CarpentEr
George J Wadels, 17, Son, Confectioner
Maria Warsler, 74, Mother in Law
Francek Green, 18, Step/Daug, Silk Weaver
Allice Woaels, 5, Neice
Matilda House, 18, Lodger

Have added correction on Anc.

1861 Census
John Woods, 43, Head, Widr, Coach Painter, born Norwich
Frederick Woods, 14
Mary Ann Woods, 13, Daug, born Norwich****
George Woods, 7

1851 Census
John Woods, 34
Mary Ann Woods, 38
Georgeanna Woods, 9
Frederic John Woods, 4

***Need to track Mary Ann in 1851 Census

Wow thank you so much Trish! Yes John Woods did, he married Frances Green b. abt 1832 who I believe is the daughter of Jonas Warder and Maria Warder nee Earl b1797. I have suddenly realised earlier this morning Frances' daughter Frances M Green living with the Woods family in 1871 age 18 and stepsister to George James Woods age 17 is probably the same Frances Maria Green daughter of Charles Green who then married George James Woods on 22 Apr 1878! Frances M Green was living with her unmarried great aunt Hannah Warder b1787 in 1861 census, who I think was Jonas Warder's sister which fits with this scenario. So it seems my great great grandparents were also step siblings!! This story just gets more and more complicated!

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Norfolk / Re: Searching for marriage Woods/Stimpson pre-1837
« on: Sunday 04 June 17 09:26 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Annette7 on Sunday 04 June 17 01:13 BST (UK)
Believe I've found John Woods first marriage on FreeReg (and FindMyPast):

John Woods   of full age    Coachmaker (?) residence Heigham   son John Woods, gardener
Mary Ann Breeze  of full age                      residence Wymondham       father 'blank'.

Married 28/7/1839 Wymondham.

1841 Census - Lakenham, Norfolk (remember ages rounded down in 1841)

John Woods   20    Coachpainter (?)
Mary Woods  20
Georgianna Woods 1mo.
Sarah Breeze 5

Whether Sarah an illeg. dau. of Mary Ann or some other relative (niece perhaps) have no idea.

Mary Ann Woods aged 26 buried 22/6/1842 St. Michael at Thorn, Norwich - believe this is the death of John's first wife.

Annette     

Thanks so much Annette, I came to the same conclusion last night after re-evaluating everything and going back to the 1841 census and deciding Sarah Breeze/Breese might be my way in but I was worried I'd put 2 and 2 together and come up with about 56 on the basis of very little evidence! I'm guessing coach maker was a mishearing of coach painter - I got the FreeCen transcription initially and then double checked the Find My Past image and although the end of the word's a bit blurred it's definitely an 'm' not a 'p'. Father is a gardener rather than a publican but I guess a change of profession isn't that uncommon? I think I need to get Georgiana's birth certificate to be certain.

Do you have any thoughts on how to get further back from John Woods' parents John and Mary as they seem to be a dead end. Thanks again for all your help!

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Norfolk / Re: Searching for marriage Woods/Stimpson pre-1837
« on: Saturday 03 June 17 22:20 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Annette7 on Saturday 03 June 17 21:04 BST (UK)
On FindMyPast there are banns for the marriage 1845 at St. John Timberhill with All Saints & St. Michael at Thorn, Norfolk - this shows that John Woods was a widower (she a spinster) so obviously he was married before and was this possibly to another Mary Ann and that Georgiana was from his first marriage?

Annette

Thanks Annette that's really useful to know. It gets so confusing with such common names but that could be the solution - that there were 2 different Mary Ann's. My ancestor, George Woods, was born later, in 1853 and his mother was definitely Mary Ann Stimpson as per the banns and marriage, which also fits with the 1851 census where the family were in St Michael in Thorn which fits with that marriage in 1845. Perhaps I need to order Georgiana's birth certificate too to be sure as her baptism only says her mother was Mary Ann with no maiden name obviously. I did think it odd that there is a 5 year gap between Georgiana and the next sibling, then there are 4 siblings all born in a 7 year period. That's real food for thought, thank you!

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Norfolk / Re: Searching for marriage Woods/Stimpson pre-1837
« on: Saturday 03 June 17 20:51 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: lizdb on Saturday 03 June 17 16:44 BST (UK)
Marriage

Jul/Aug/Sep 1845
Loddon
Ref 13 303

John Woods and Mary Anne Stimpson

That's really interesting as I see Loddon includes Langley where Mary Ann was born. I hadn't thought to look that much later after Georgiana's birth. I think I'm going to cross my fingers and order the certificate and hope it's the right couple! Thank you so much!

Am I at a dead end with Mary Woods as I too couldn't find any other baptisms for the couple in Strumpshaw or any marriage record for her and John?

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