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Lancashire / Ada Williamson born 1879, Liverpool MMN Jones or Hogarth

« on: Tuesday 04 February 20 17:27 GMT (UK) »

There were 2 Ada Williamsons, born Mar Q 1879 Liverpool, one MMN Jones, the other MMN Hogarth.

One is traceable with family Henry Williamson in 1881, with his widow Charlotte Williamson nee Jones in 1891 census, both in Liverpool.
The other not found in 1881, 1891.

1901 - 3 possibilities, there may be more -
Ada Williamson, Age 22, Cook to Forfar family in Liverpool
Ada Williamson, Age 24 General servant to Wright family in Liverpool
Ada Williamson, 22 Servant to Rae family in Preston

1903 Ada Williamson married William Pearson Sefton, St Marys, Kirkdale (no further details available)

1911
Ada Sefton with young family.
Ada Williamson servant to Webster family

1913 Ada Williamson married Philip Christopher Kelly, father Henry Williamson, Joiner

In census, children's baptisms and marriages Henry is described variously as Glass cutter/Packer, Labourer, Warehouseman and on one occasion Artist (!!)

I have searched high and low for Williamson/Hogarth marriage to no avail. Can anybody find this marriage, possibly in Liverpool? There don't appear to be any other Williamson MMN Hogarth births in Liverpool.

Or the 'other' Ada in 1881, 1891 census?

Has anybody got access to St Marys, Kirkdale marriage records for 1903, to see witnesses and fathers occupation?

Ada, daughter of Henry Williamson and Charlotte Jones, was my husband's great aunt, and I would like to confirm who she was married to.

Regards Margaret

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Common Ancestors/Thrulines disappeared

« on: Tuesday 04 February 20 06:45 GMT (UK) »

About two weeks ago common ancestors CA and Thrulines disappeared for me and my husband at Ancestry. A cousin who shares the same tree for DNA matching has retained his.

I've tried different things -
Disconnected us and reconnected us to the tree straight away - no effect
Waited a day before reconnecting - no effect
Disconnected us for a week before reconnecting - no effect

Two days ago I uploaded a fresh gedcom, connected us both - still no success.

Any ideas anyone? I remember when they were first introduced there were a couple of people here who didn't get Thrulines or CA, I can't remember who - did any of them get them eventually?

Thrulines I can live without, a cumbersome way of telling you the info, but CA was something I regularly checked, got some very valuable leads. I would be very disappointed if I have lost them forever.

Hoping somebody has an answer.

Regards Margaret

Lancashire / Occupation Extra Scale Porter?

« on: Thursday 30 January 20 14:51 GMT (UK) »

Any ideas as to what an Extra Scale Porter would have been?

26 Nov 1809 Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire
William Gorse, Extra Scale Porter married Mary Thorpe

Regards Margaret

Renfrewshire / Murray of Greenock, Renfrewshire

« on: Saturday 18 January 20 14:08 GMT (UK) »

Hoping someone can help.

In 1871
Robert Murray, Head, Mar, M, 43, Boiler Maker, Born Scotland
Christiana Murray, Wife, Mar, F, 43, , Born Scotland
Sons John 19, Boiler Maker, James 11 Scholar, Both born Scotland
Sons Charles 3, Samuel 5 mths, Both born Liverpool, Lancashire
Address Orry Street, Liverpool

GRO birth registration for Charles and Samuel indicates that Christiana's maiden name was Stephenson/Stevenson and there is a birth for James Murray 24 Dec 1860, Parents Robert Murray and Christina Stevenson, Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland.

However, it is John that I am really interested in. No marriage found for Robert Murray to Christiana Stevenson that I can see, John may not have been her son (or alternatively, may not have been Robert's son, 'adopted' into the family after he met Christiana).

I would be grateful for any input regarding this family.

Regards Margaret

Kent / Rev J W Clarke of Crockham Hill, Kent

« on: Tuesday 14 January 20 02:02 GMT (UK) »

I am trying to find out more about Rev J W Clarke B.A. who graduated from Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge in 1831.

In 1842 (contrary to the widely circulated date of 1845) he was appointed incumbent of Holy Trinity, Crockham Hill, nr Westerham, Kent. He remained as incumbent until 1849.

I don't know his full name or year of birth, but would appreciate it if anyone can find him in census, death registration or other records.

Regards, Margaret

The Common Room / Rootsweb Mailing lists are closing

« on: Thursday 09 January 20 07:29 GMT (UK) »

The following message appears at the top of Archived Rootsweb Mailing Lists.

"Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will
be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or
accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer
be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an
archival state. Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to
March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and
searchable on RootsWeb."

As a user of Rootsweb Mailing lists for many years, I am sad that this has come about, but many lists were inactive as there was nobody administering the list.

I took over as administrator of one list pertaining to my maiden name as it had been declared inactive, the previous administrator ill and not replying to emails.

There was no notice to list members that it had become inactive, I discovered it by chance. If a message had been sent to the list, as opposed to the named list administrator, many more lists may have remained active and it would have shown as a useful service to it's new owners, Ancestry.

Probably they had no intention of keeping the lists going, but it is good to know that the archives will remain for the time being.

Regards Margaret

Modified to add apostrophe to final it's, full stop at the end of the closing sentence.

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / How far back and wide do you go?

« on: Friday 03 January 20 15:55 GMT (UK) »

How far and wide would you go to find possible DNA connections when you have only a hypothesis to work on?

One of my husband's 2G grandmothers is a brick wall. According to census Ann Brown was born c 1807/1808 in Warrington, Lancashire.

No baptism found in or around 1807, but there was a baptism in 1811, which many family trees have attributed to her. I have tentatively traced this family back one generation on her father's side, but her mother's side I can trace back to potential 5G grandparents.

Then tracing all the children back down a few generations.

This is obviously time consuming and in the end may be of little or no value. I was wondering how far back and wide other people go with possible ancestors where there is no proof. Further back and I probably wouldn't bother at all, but I don't like being stuck at 2G grandparent level.

Regards Margaret

Lancashire / Two deaths in Irlam from burns received at work, 1917, 1918

« on: Tuesday 24 December 19 08:03 GMT (UK) »

I have found two burials in Irlam, Lancashire, brothers.

Entry 948 George Edward Dixon, Abode Cadishead, Buried 29 Aug 1917, Aged 25
Died from burns received at S Works
See 980

Entry 980 Albert Edward Dixon, Abode Irlam, Buried 27 Feb 1918, Aged 18
Died from burns at S S and [? I or T] Co

Does anybody know the likely name and nature of these works?

Season's greetings Margaret

The Common Room / Preserving and/or improving condition of old documents

« on: Friday 13 December 19 17:50 GMT (UK) »

I would like some advice about preserving old documents. My daughter has recently been sent a folder full of documents relating to her recently purchased house.

One document dates back to 1798 and is written on 5 pages of parchment type paper, complete with seals. The problem is that they have been roughly folded at some stage to fit an A4 folder, and have suffered. The text has faded at many of the folds and there are several creases which look as though they might break/tear easily. The pages cannot be unfolded fully because of the folds and creases, so some of the document cannot be read.

The pages measure c 74 cm x 54 cm (c 29 x 21") and have been folded into 9.

Has anybody got any advice as to how to improve the situation, or at least maintain them without further deterioration?

Regards Margaret