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The Stay Safe Board / Shielders
« on: Sunday 31 May 20 07:42 BST (UK)  »
It has been widely reported in several papers that shielded people, that is the extremely vulnerable, will be 'allowed' out from tomorrow, with one person from their household, or one person from another household, socially distanced.

They have been allowed to make their own decisions about this all along, it was advice, not a legal matter. However, the advice has been very clear and consistent -

If youíre clinically extremely vulnerable, youíre strongly advised to stay at home at all times and avoid any face-to-face contact to protect yourself.
This is called Ďshieldingí and the advice is:

Do not leave your house.
Do not attend any gatherings, including gatherings of friends and families in private spaces, for example, family homes, weddings and religious services.
Strictly avoid contact with someone who is displaying symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19).

The Government is currently advising people to shield until 30 June 2020 and is regularly monitoring this advice.

If this is announced this afternoon as reported (who leaks this sort of thing to the press!), I wonder how many of them will take advantage of it. Cooped up in a tiny flat - maybe. But what a time to bring it into action, when so many other restrictions are being lifted, the rate of infection likely to go up, however slightly.
More people about, larger groups of people to avoid, more people going back to work and school.

If I were on the extremely vulnerable list, I would be very hesitant about stepping out of the front door at this time, would have been safer a few weeks ago.

This afternoon's briefing could prove interesting.

Regards Margaret

Australia / Ure Beatrice Ward, left Australia 1922 for London
« on: Sunday 24 May 20 07:30 BST (UK)  »
Hoping that someone may be able to help me find a shipping record for Ure Beatrice Ward (possibly Holden or Hubbard) in 1922, returning from Australia to London, England

Further information can be found here

Ure Beatrice Ward travelled with her husband Alfred and young son Stephen to Australia in 1922. They arrived 13 Feb 1922 aboard Demosthenes.

By 14 Jan 1923, Ure Beatrice Hubbard is back in England, daughter Ure Joyce Hubbard was born.

Ure's stay in Australia must have been very brief, but have been unable to find her return journey, either as Holden (maiden name), Ward (1st husband's surname) or Hubbard (2nd husband's surname).

I believe passports had been introduced by that stage, so presumably looking for Mrs/Ure/Beatrice/Ward. She left London as Beatrice Ward, arrived Australia as Ura Ward.
She was born in 1891.

Regards Margaret

London and Middlesex / London, England, Electoral Registers, 1920v- 1922
« on: Wednesday 20 May 20 11:40 BST (UK)  »
Can anybody tell me when electoral registers were compiled?

I am interested in a lady, Ure Beatrice Holden, who remarried during the WW1, apparently thinking that her first husband Alfred Ward was dead. She had children by both men, before and after the war

1921 census when it becomes available will be interesting, but in 1920 she had a child by her first husband. They emigrated to Australia in January 1922, but she very promptly returned to the second husband, Ernest Hubbard.

In 1921 electoral registers she is living alone, at 31, Chalton Street, under the name of Hubbard. 1922 - 1925 electoral registers she is living with second husband at 77, Chalton Street, under the name of Hubbard.

So, my query is, when would the information from 1922 have been compiled? I am trying to work out exactly what happened, but it is very complicated!

Regards Margaret

Modified: 1921 record is Ure Beatrice Hubbard, Provision dealer London PO Directory, living at 38, Chalton Street.


Presumably only acute rather than chronic anosmia, added to fever and new persistent cough.
My husband lost his sense of smell completely some years ago, mine is gradually going. We can both still taste food, though, which is good.

I put it into 'Covid Symptom Study' app that I had anosmia, but it didn't ask me to take a test. I wouldn't have gone for one if they had suggested it, but wonder why not, if it is now one of the key symptoms to look out for.

Regards Margaret

On BBC News this morning Nick Stripe, from the Office for National Statistics, was talking about the confirmation that BAME groups have a higher risk of catching Covid-19, also a higher risk of dying from/with it.

This is very concerning, especially to BAME groups, however, I am a bit concerned about the methods used to show this.

He said that ethnicity, socio economic status etc are not shown on death certificates, but by looking the people up in 2011 census, this is shown. I.e they looked for that specific person from 9 years ago, and found out the information.  I can't remember whether he said 80% or 90% of people who had died were identified in this way.

I realise that the ONS has full access to our census info, but I was always under the assumption that this was anonymised.

Regards Margaret

The Stay Safe Board / Shared photo album with captions?
« on: Tuesday 21 April 20 17:05 BST (UK)  »
I have been sending our 5 year old granddaughter pictures of the teddies at our house doing something silly each day, she is really enjoying them. Complete with teddies saying appropriate things.

I want to save them all in a shared album, but unless they have the captions, in a few months time they won't mean as much.

Is there anyway we can all share a photo album complete with captions? Say OneDrive or Google?

Any help much appreciated.

Regards Margaret

Copied from another forum -

1. You MUST NOT leave the house for any reason, but if you have a reason, you can leave the house

2. Masks are useless at protecting you against the virus, but you may have to wear one because it can save lives, but they may not work, but they may be mandatory, but maybe not

3. Shops are closed, except those shops that are open

4. You must not go to work but you can get another job and go to work

5. You should not go to the Drs or to the hospital unless you have to go there, unless you are too poorly to go there

6. This virus can kill people, but donít be scared of it. It can only kill those people who are vulnerable or those people who are not vulnerable people. Itís possible to contain and control it, sometimes, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster

7. Gloves won't help, but they can still help so wear them sometimes or not

8. STAY HOME, but it's important to go out

9. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarkets, but there are many things missing. Sometimes you wonít need loo rolls but you should buy some just in case you need some

10. The virus has no effect on children except those children it affects

11. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and thereÖ

12. Stay 2 metres away from tigers (see point 11)

13. You will have many symptoms if your get the virus, but you can also get symptoms without getting the virus, get the virus without having any symptoms or be contagious without having symptoms, or be non contagious with symptoms...

14. To help protect yourself you should eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand as it's better not to go out shopping

15. It's important to get fresh air but don't go to parks but go for a walk. But donít sit down, except if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant or if youíre not old or pregnant but need to sit down. If you do sit down donít eat your picnic

16. Donít visit old people but you have to take care of the old people and bring them food and medication

17. If you are sick, you can go out when you are better but anyone else in your household canít go out when you are better unless they need to go out

18. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house. These deliveries are safe. But groceries you bring back to your house have to be decontaminated outside for 3 hours including Pizza...

19. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but they can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver

20. You are safe if you maintain the safe social distance when out but you canít go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance

21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours ... or four hours... six hours... I mean days, not hours... But it needs a damp environment. Or a cold environment that is warm and dry... in the air, as long as the air is not plastic

22. Schools are closed so you need to home educate your children, unless you can send them to school because youíre not at home. If you are at home you can home educate your children using various portals and virtual class rooms, unless you have poor internet, or more than one child and only one computer, or you are working from home. Baking cakes can be considered maths, science or art. If you are home educating you can include household chores to be education. If you are home educating you can start drinking at 10am

23. If you are not home educating children you can also start drinking at 10am

24. The number of corona related deaths will be announced daily but we don't know how many people are infected as they are only testing those who are almost dead to find out if that's what they will die ofÖ the people who die of corona who arenít counted wonít be counted

25. You should stay in locked down until the virus stops infecting people but it will only stop infecting people if we all get infected so itís important we get infected and some donít get infected

26. You can join your neighbours for a street party and turn your music up for an outside disco and your neighbours wonít call the police. People in another street are allowed to call the police about your music.

27. No business will go under due to Coronavirus except those businesses that will have already gone under.

Regards Margaret

The Stay Safe Board / Asda shopping
« on: Friday 03 April 20 13:54 BST (UK)  »
We had an Asda home delivery on Tuesday, another due next Friday, after that there are no more slots to be had.
We have had a couple of offers to help with shopping, but the question of payment comes into it.

Asda to the rescue - they have introduced what they call a 'Volunteer Card'. Prepay on the internet, print out or forward to volunteer. I might brave the shops in about two or three weeks time for fresh food, but this would also work quite well.

Regards Margaret

The Common Room / Hannah Leffen, born about 1812 in Lewisham or Sydenham, Kent
« on: Sunday 01 March 20 07:12 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for the most likely place of birth and baptism for Hannah Leffen, who married John Barker 1838 in Brighton, Sussex. Her father's name was William Leffen.

1841 census - Not born in Sussex, living in Brighton, Sussex
1851 - Born Kent, Sidenham, living in Brighton, Sussex
1861 - Born Surrey, Lewisham, living in Alverstoke, Hampshire
1871 - Born Surrey, Lucom, living in Portsea, Hampshire
1881 - Born Kent, Lewisham, living in Mitcham, Surrey
1891 - Born Sydenham, Surrey, living in Croydon Workhouse Infirmary, Surrey

Where is/was Lucom - is it a shortened form of Lewisham?

I haven't found a baptism for her in Lewisham records, and can't see any Sydenham records online for that time period.

A possibility for her father is William Leffen/Leffin born Henfield, Sussex, but he appears to have stayed in Henfield, died in 1860.

Any help gratefully appreciated.

Regards Margaret

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