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Hello - here is a photograph of a grave recently rediscovered I know the person is a Robert LLoyd who I believe is my great uncle.  I have him on the 1911 census in South Wales but no knowledge of his later years so I am hoping to try and trace his movements and family; something says that one of my great aunts mentioned Llandudno but I just don't know.  Of course nothing on the back of the photo except a shopping list !

I can make out the Robert Lloyd and I think it says "Mawrth" on the next line;  We have been to see the grave - luckily we can Harlech Castle in the background but the writing is badly faded on the actual grave now.  I did speak to someone at the chapel who operates the cemetery to ask if they had a burial register but they did not come back to me.

I have no idea how to sharpen the image - suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Nesta

Here is my puzzle - Charles George Horatio Shorting left a great aunt a substantal legacy in 1897 - when he was 57 and she was 18 !  This made me look into the family further and I became fascinated ............

Have a look at this thread about Charles for some background but I've got a lot further now.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,409096.0.html

The Rev Charles Shorting (b1810 app d 1864) was the son of Henry Shorting (d 1825) Gentleman and MD Of Brome, nr Eye in Suffolk and Sarah Hill (b 1771 d 1836); he was born around 1810 and had two siblings – Sarah and Henry.  Sarah dies an old maid in January 1871 and Henry marries Miss Mary Spurgeon (d 1868) in Dec 1828 with no issue.

Charles gains an MA from Cambridge in July 1835 and in July 1836 was installed as incumbent of Stonham Aspall in July 1836 – presented by Robert Knibe Cobbold of Eye, Suffolk.  He marries Elizabeth Harriott Cobbold (b1817 d 1910)  on the 12th September 1837 (the eldest daughter of the said Robert Knibe Cobbold.  Charles died in Paris in 1864 and is buried in Stonham Aspall.  

They had several children

1838   8th August   Emily Mary         died 1853 (Suffolk)

1841         Charles George Horatio       died September 1897
Married Constance Mary Anne Cotton at the Berne Legation in October 1881; two children – more to follow

1843   27th May   Mary Elizabeth         died Torquay December 1861

1845   29th December   Stillborn son   
      
1847   15th January   Henry Frances         died 1919  Monterey California
         Married (1) 1870 Susan Jane Rowlandson – two children
         Married (2) 1889 Agnes S ?

1848   5th April    Ernest Walter         died 1919 Shropshire
      
1851   22nd November   Herbert Stewart      died June 1860

1853         Alice Frances         died 1925 Shropshire
         Married Edgar Sterling Cobbold – no issue
         Note they were first cousins; his father was her mother’s brother


Charles George Horatio Shorting had two children;  He has been very difficult to find out about – in 1861 he is in Caernarfonshire a visitor at a hotel; no sign of him in 1871 nor 1881 but there is mention about letters to parliament relating to his dispute with the Italian Government in 1877., I am awaiting a CD FROM THE Parliamentary Archives with some info about this.  He married in Berne in 1882 and on the birth notice for his daughter it says to Mrs CGH Shorting previously of Villa Belmonte, Bellagio a daughter.  There is much mention of his wife through the 1880’s social pages in Llandudno but none of him.  She was a lot younger than he was – 21 years.  By 1891 they are living in 1, Tudor Road, Croydon he is noted as living on his own means.  By the time he dies in 1897 he has lived in Snape in Suffolk for about 4 years.  He still owns the property in Croydon and in his will leaves it to his wife.  He leaves his Suffolk property and several other bequests to my husband’s aunt.  In the period between September 1893 and when he died he adds five codicils to his will – all but one relate to my husband’s aunt.  .  I also have copies of his wife and daughter’s will’s . The son died intestate and I am still awaiting his letters of administration the probate office have made a three year search but no sign of them yet.   Back to Charles – the strange thing is that by the time his son is born in 1894 he seems to be living in Snape but his wife appears to be In Croydon; the son is born in Hampshire where her mother is living.  There is a codicil to the will dated 1897 leaving the Croydon property to his wife but there is no mention of the son. In his original 1887 will he lives everything to his daughter and names a gentleman friend as her guardian – no mention of the wife.  In fact the codicils leaving things to Florence seem to start at about the time his wife gets pregnant.  I have his death certificate and he died of “granular kidney – 12 mths” and the death is registered by Deborah Ling (my husband’s G Grandmother) present at death.  Of course all kinds of suppositions have been made – I wondered if she was his illegitimate daughter (Aunty Florence that is) but I don’t think he was in the UK at the time she was born – the immediate reaction is some kind of affair ! If he was a friend of the family why not leave it to her parents or jointly to her and her two brothers.  

Hester Agnes Tuckay Shorting born 28 Dec 1882 at Ashby House, Llandudno died 31 Dec 1926 Bournemouth; when she dies she leaves her house to her friend who lived with her and the remainder of her estate between her brother and her friend in equal shares.
Horace Arthur Shorting born June quarter 1894 in Christchurch, Hampshire died 14 Nov 1965 Bournemouth
Neither married nor had children

Part 2 follows

Some members of my family have been buried here - William Lloyd &  Elliw Lloyd whose grave I have found.  I believe a Robert Howell Lloyd of LLandudno ( a great uncle ) I think I know which grave he is buried in but the inscription is too faded - I used to have a photo of the grave but can't find it !

My great grandmother apparently has also been buried here - Mary Ann Evans according to some notes I have from her daughter (now deceased).  I had a trawl through the graves but couldn't find it.  I do not know her date of death either - as far as I know she lived in Rhosygwalia but wanted to be buried near her parents - not her husband who was buried in Rhosygwalia - he died in 1929 and the inscription says "here lies Evan Evans husband of Mary Evans of Rhosygwalia who died July 1929.  His mother is also buried in the same grave, she was called Mary Williams.  I am assuming that because it says husband of Mary Evans not husband of the late Mary Evans that she was still alive when he died.  have done a bmd search for both Mary Williams and Mary Ann but you can imagine the number of hits.

Mary Ann and Evan are in Trealaw, Glamorgan in 1911 as I knew - but cannot seem to find Mary Williams.

Does any one know where I might find a burial register for this chapel - as far as I can see they are still burying here.  Tomorrow I shall contact the local undertakers - they sometimes know who !

Also does anyone know anything of Rhosygwalia, near Bala.  The church there is closed and so is the chapel.  Any information would be apprecatiated.

Thank you

A person who I am interested in was born here in December 1882.  Does anyone have any idea where in Llandudno it was and what kind of property it was.  Thanks
Nesta