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Shropshire / Re: Francis Groom 1806
« on: Wednesday 10 January 07 17:47 GMT (UK)  »
I'm not sure as I have never known any other 1821s be available. I only have a transcript, not a copy of the original. It's available from Salopian Family History Company, cost me about £5 to download it a couple of years ago. Worth every penny both for myself and others I've been able to help.

I had their transcripts of 1841s for the area before they were generally available and they were good value and pretty accurate.

Update, the Wellington 1821 now costs £6 and they have 1831 Wrockwardine Wood for £2 (probably doesn't have as much info???)

Shropshire / Re: Francis Groom 1806
« on: Tuesday 09 January 07 20:43 GMT (UK)  »
From IGI, baptisms with parents Richard & Catherine

07 JUL 1805 Wellington, Shropshire
04 APR 1806 Wellington, Shropshire
05 JUN 1808 Wellington
(Burial 21 May 1815 Aged 7 Wellington All Saints, per NBI)
09 SEP 1810 Wellington, Shropshire

14 OCT 1812 Wellington, Shropshire

06 NOV 1814 Wellington, Shropshire

06 JUN 1821 Wellington, Shropshire 

11 MAY 1823 Wellington, Shropshire

I think this is the baptism of the second Richard, although no surname is recorded

06 DEC 1818   Wellington, Shropshire, England
Father:  RICHARD   
Mother:  CAT. 

The 'female' in the 1821 Census must have been Jane. I can't find a baptism for Mary or Thomas Groom.

Shropshire / Re: Francis Groom 1806
« on: Tuesday 09 January 07 18:47 GMT (UK)  »
Marriage:  02 MAR 1802   Eyton Upon The Weald Moors, Shropshire, England
Batch No M037441 

I think this is probably the marriage of Richard and Catherine.

I have two marriages in my tree around this time that took place at Eyton when the couple were both from Wellington. It appears the vicar at Wellington refused to marry non-conformists in his church. Dawley was the same. The nearest options were Eyton for Wellington, and Little Wenlock for Dawley.

Shropshire / Re: Francis Groom 1806
« on: Tuesday 09 January 07 18:40 GMT (UK)  »
Wellington 1821 Census New Street

Richard Groom 40 Basket Maker
Cate 39
Mary 18
William 17
Francis 15
Cate 10
Ann 8
John 6
Thomas 4
Richard 2
Female 3 days

Other Grooms on New Street
Ann 63 lodger

William 30 Basket Maker
Elizabeth 27

Maria 21 lodger

Shropshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1821 Dawley look up OWEN
« on: Wednesday 03 January 07 20:59 GMT (UK)  »
There is a surviving Census for Wellington in 1821 but it does not cover Dawley.

Lawley (Common and Bank) Ketley, Hadley and a few other places are included though. It shows name, correct age, occupation and if born in county.

I only have a transcript, no access to the original or a copy.

Katie, I can't see your family on there.

Shropshire / Re: bagley / bagnal
« on: Wednesday 03 January 07 20:23 GMT (UK)  »
The children of Edward and Ann baptised at Broseley from the IGI are
George 1817
Edward 1820
Selina 1823
Martha 1829
Mary 1829

1841 Census Broseley
Ann Bagnal 55
George 20 Engineer
Selina 15
Martha 10

1841 Broseley
Edward Bagnall 20 Coal Miner
Elizabeth 20
Edwin 10 months

This is probably the death of Edward the father, from NBI
Edward BAGNALL Date 5 May 1835 Aged 56 Place Broseley All Saints

This from the IGI looks promising and fits with Ann's age from 1841
Christening:  27 APR 1788   Saint Leonard, Broseley, Shropshire, England
Father:  JOHN BAGNAL   Mother:  MARTHA     
Batch No. C011553

Where have you got Ann's maiden name of Sidoway? The only Edward Bagnal/Ann Sidoway marriage I can see is recorded in Durham in 1801 and this is a 'member submitted' entry on the IGI. This couple would surely have been older than your Edward and Ann? And Durham is a long way from Shropshire...........

Shropshire / Re: Adam Dudley 1760
« on: Tuesday 02 January 07 21:33 GMT (UK)  »
That looks good Pete :)

Have you got anything for a John Dudley c.1725 in the area?

Shropshire / Re: Adam Dudley 1760
« on: Tuesday 02 January 07 21:09 GMT (UK)  »
The National Archives have a Will for a Samuel Dudley, carpenter of Chelmarsh dated 1835. It possible that he is the Samuel bap. 1764 to John & Ann. £3.50 to download if you're interested.

Hope the link works!

Shropshire / Re: Adam Dudley 1760
« on: Tuesday 02 January 07 20:53 GMT (UK)  »
There's an Ann Bennet baptism on the IGI at Chelmarsh

18 Jul 1731 to William and Ann

I can't find a baptism for John Dudley at Chelmarsh, in fact the first child with that surname on the PRs seems to be John and Anne's son William in 1750. There aren't any children baptised to any other Dudleys until John and Anne's children become parents themselves. That would make me think that John came from somewhere else and didn't move to Chelmarsh with his family (no record of any of his possible siblings marrying)

Pete appears to have access to local PRs, maybe you could ask him to have a look and see if he can find a John c.1725?


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