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The front at the top certainly seems to have that frazzled look you used to get after using old-style curling tongs. If used carelessly, they caused hair to become singed and frizzy. Maybe that happned and some bits had to be cut off.
Possibly, it was an attempt to create the front and side curls like the Queen had at the time. Just possible that the longer hair at the back is tightly pulled back and up out of sight.
( I can still recall the smell of burnt hair from when in the early 1950's my mother used to try to put some curl into my very thick, straight hair, using old metal tongs which were heated in the fire. Not having curly, doll-like hair was one of the many failings that I was judged to have as a child. Having hair so thick that ribbons would not stay in, was another!)

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The Lighter Side / Re: Wesleyballs or wesselbobs
« on: Sunday 27 December 20 09:08 GMT (UK)  »
Spice/ "sparse" definitely still used in 1950's Holmfirth for sweets.
"Fair" and "right" meaning very still used today.
"Starved" meaning very cold and a bit miserable as in "tha looks  fair starved through, lass"

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The Lighter Side / Re: Wesleyballs or wesselbobs
« on: Saturday 26 December 20 21:05 GMT (UK)  »
Arthurk, thanks for guiding me to the Hudds Glossary.
What a treat!
Just checked that it includes some of my favourites:
Spech
Mank
Throng
Lake/lek which as well as referring to playing games, is used to mean laid-off from work, unemployed.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Wesleyballs or wesselbobs
« on: Saturday 26 December 20 19:10 GMT (UK)  »
Good to find another spetch user.
And the stuff from a roll still is better than the individual plasters.

JenB, the ref to dialect dictionary sounds really interesting but I can't seem to use it. Any tips on how to get to the page with 'spetch' on it? Thanks in advance.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Wesleyballs or wesselbobs
« on: Saturday 26 December 20 17:28 GMT (UK)  »
Interesting that wessill-bobs were known in Berry Brow - at the Huddersfield end of the Holme Valley.
Any cases of wessil bobs further up the valley eg Holmfirth?
Just in passing and piggybacking on the local vocab West Yorks theme: anyone know what a "spetch" is?
I think I may have floated this before and have only ever met one person outside my dad's Hade Edge family who called an elastoplast a spetch.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Wesleyballs or wesselbobs
« on: Saturday 26 December 20 08:25 GMT (UK)  »
Wesleybobs must have been a very local name. In the Holme Valley, over to the West of Huddersfield and not that fsr from Mirfield, I never heard the term used.

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An interesting glimpse into a world where electricity still was rather a novel thing with much status.
I well remember the Electricity Showrooms in my ( quite large)  village in West Yorkshire in the 1950/60's.
Presided over by  important men apparently with special knowledge. In fact, simply shop assistants.
When my mother bought an iron there she had to be instructed by an electric showroom man who came to our house on how to use the iron!  Round about 1958/9, I would estimate. Doom-ladened, rather threatening and definitely patronising tones were used to emphasise the need for extreme caution in using it. The man, of course,would never have ironed a single thing in his life! My mother having spent many years doing little else but ironing.
I was struck by the oddness of this scenario even as a child. What I think about it now is better not expressed.
Well done to your Miss Griffin for breaching this bastion of "cod" superiority. I bet she would not have tolerated being shown how to use a common place bit of electrical kit.
 

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: What is a 'delver"?
« on: Thursday 03 December 20 20:51 GMT (UK)  »
Claire 64's mention of Green Moor rang a bit of a bell with me: one of my delver forebears Jonathan Briggs is recorded as resident at Green More on his marriage cert in 1863. His wife Hannah Swire umbrella maker of Holmfirth is also resident at Green More. A bit odd that, especially as she is "of full age" when actually she was under 21.
Jonathan originally from an Elland delver family, had been a quarryman at Hade Edge in 1861 and again from 1871 onwards.
There must have been quite a bit of movement between quarries amkngst the men.
What is missing in his story is where he was in 1851. Absolutely no trace as far as I can see. Must keep "delving into" this mystery!

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: What is a 'delver"?
« on: Saturday 28 November 20 20:53 GMT (UK)  »
In West Yorkshire in the 19thC a delver was definitely a stone quarry worker.
My ancestors were delvers in the Elland Flags early1800's, moving to Magnum, Hade Edge, Holmfirth during the 1830's when the quarries were opened up there. The term delver seems to have gradually been replaced by quarryman in censuses as the century went on.
It would have been a hard and dangerous job and it seems that the men tended to work together in family-based groups, employing only men they could trust with their safety.
There was a whole community of delvers living up at Magnum, no doubt in houses built from the very stone they had quarried. And a small mission chapel. These buildings  disappeared I think mid-20thC.
The 3 quarries were named Magnum Bonum, Sans Pareil and, if I recall,  Ne Plus Ultra. Interesting to see the use of Latin and French in such a determinedly Yorkshire location.I have often wondered if the folks there knew what the names meant and how they were pronounced locally.

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