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Flintshire / Re: Anderson family + Harwarden 1860s
« on: Friday 23 September 11 15:52 BST (UK)  »
Update for the kind posters who have been so helpful: It's been put that his birth may have been on a boat/ship called "Harwarden" - but as this would mean that his mother was Cornelia rather than Mary / Maria, I'm not very confident about following this.
Not got the birth certificate yet to prove / refute this, so enthusiasm rapidly ebbing. Ah well.
Every line seems to be dragging to a halt, caught on snags. Is this what is meant by a brick wall? Do they ever fall down? Any idea where I can hire a genealogical sledge-hammer?

Shropshire / Re: Griffiths Shropshire area
« on: Monday 12 September 11 13:15 BST (UK)  »
We "found" him by tracing back known family through census and similar records. "Knighton" was suggested, along with Burford and, as you mentioned,"Fenn", or "Fern". As you say, there are rather too many Griffiths around to be more certain, but his wife was Susan Roberts, and the children fit... We know only back to the 1861 census for certain. Even a more definite occupation may have been a better clue. As you say, Manchester Rambler, we need to try and pin him down more via certification. Thanks.

Shropshire / Re: Griffiths Shropshire area
« on: Sunday 11 September 11 22:42 BST (UK)  »
We've not got those certificates - yet - we'd got into a bit of a Shropshire / Wales border muddle with various places, and are just emerging from it after poring over lots of older maps. Thanks for the interest.

Ireland / Re: Keating and Cummins in 1800s Ireland
« on: Wednesday 07 September 11 16:34 BST (UK)  »
Thank you to the kind person who merged the later post with my earlier ones. I'm getting very confused with the Irish side, that must be the reason! Sorry for any inconvenience or extra effort that has caused the moderator. These suggestions are all great, and I am trying to follow them up, but it's rather tempting to make wild guesses at coincidences, and I'm simply not finding anything worth attempting to prove anywhere.

Ireland / Keating and Cummins in Ireland
« on: Monday 05 September 11 18:02 BST (UK)  »
Could anyone suggest which areas of Ireland may be the most logical places to search for the surnames Keating or Cummins? The earliest I have is an Andrew Keating b c 1855/6, who married a Margaret  ? from Anglesey. She died 1911 and he died 1933 in Lancashire. Their eldest son was James Lawrence ( or Laurence) Keating, and he had younger siblings Florence, Andrew and Albert, all born in lancashire. I wondered if he had Dublin connections, but I've no real evidence for that. I'd like to have some idea at least of where they may have originated in Ireland.
 I'm also hunting the area a Thomas Cummins b c 1818 somewhere in Ireland may have some from. His wife, Mary, is quoted as coming from Wexford, but by 1851 they were living in Liverpool, in spitalfields ( which doesn't sound all that brilliant in itself) and later moved to Bolton. As their children - John (b c 1834), Elizabeth (b c 1839/40), Thomas ( b c 1840), and Johannah (b c 1844, WEXFORD) all were born in Ireland, I'm guessing that it was in the late '40s they came to England.
I'm told that Irish records are hard to come by, and so far I've not managed to get any of our Irish ancestors properly located on the Irish side of the Irish sea, despite having plenty of surnames to go at!!
Do you think this is a hopeless cause? I'm on the point of abandoning them all in the sea!

Shropshire / Griffiths Shropshire area
« on: Monday 05 September 11 17:46 BST (UK)  »
We have a Thomas Griffiths, quoted as 66 in the 1881 census, married  to Susan Roberts in 1858 in Cleobury Mortimer, he was born Knighton. He moved to the lancashire coalfields, with his family, probably during the 1860s or 1870s. We'd like to try and untangle which of the many Shropshire area Griffiths he may have been linked with before then, who could be his siblings, for there seem to have been quite a few family groups moving from the Shropshire area to the Lancashire coalfields in the 2nd half of the 19th Century. Any suggestions gratefully followed.

Galway / Re: Paton (or similar!) Galway...Timothy and Mary
« on: Friday 02 September 11 13:46 BST (UK)  »
Oh - it's already obvious that they - or their transcribers - weren't very hot on spellings! Looks like Geography, too, was a bit haphazard. Thanks though, shanew147, all the same. It looks drearily to me as if, like all the other family Irish connections I've tried following up, they fall into the Irish Sea at about 1840, and are never seen again! frustrating, isn't it?

Galway / Re: Paton (or similar!) Galway...Timothy and Mary
« on: Friday 02 September 11 12:04 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, forgot to say she (Winifred) seems to have been born 1864/5 ish. Thanks for your interest.

Galway / Re: Paton (or similar!) Galway...Timothy and Mary
« on: Friday 02 September 11 12:02 BST (UK)  »
I'd not managed to get anywhere with Irish records so far. According to a 1911 census Winifred's place of birth is given as Dumon, Co Galway. Mary may have been born nearby, but  I've not managed to find any record of her marriage to Timothy Pateen, so I can't find her pre-marriage name. I'd hoped in Ireland I may find that marriage, and get closer that way to finding Timothy and Mary Pateen(etc) as well as Winifred.

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