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Offline Nick Carver

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Surname Francewar
« on: Tuesday 01 November 05 09:54 GMT (UK) »
Have found some late 1700s ancestors by the name of Francewar in Leeds area. The ONS surname frequency page tels me that there is currently nobody by that name in the UK. Googling shows a handful of people of that name in the US.

There could be a number of reasons why this is so. Firstly, the name was so rare that it has died out in the UK. Secondly, that people of that name have changed the spelling over the years to something that is more familiar and common.  I have tried but failed to think of any modern surnames that might have originally been Francewar and would like to invite the collective wisdom of Rootschatters to see if they can do better than myself (not difficult). To be fair, I have only found two daughters of the last known male Francewar - St Peter's Leeds FWIW.
E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell

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Re: Surname Francewar
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 November 05 10:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi Nick

Incredibly rare is not the word - only one instance showing up in the 1851 census - Elizabeth Francewar, born in London in 1850 and lodging in the household of a Henry family in Bungay, Suffolk.  Well, at least its a Censuswhack for 1851! :)

No others showing on any census indexes.

My immediate thought was that this is a corruption of Francois, and there are typically a dozen or so people with this surname showing on each census index.

I wonder if the obvious (subsequent) change of surname is to FRENCH?

Paul

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Re: Surname Francewar
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 November 05 10:19 GMT (UK) »
For the record, I have turned up Matilda Francewar (born about 1791) my 3xg grandmother and her sister Sarah (born about 1793) daughters of Julian Francewar - no info on his wife. IGI usually throws out some close matches for a surname, but not in this case. Paul - I like your reasoning, it would be nice to be able to prove a link.
E Yorks - Carver, Steels, Cross, Maltby, Whiting, Moor, Laybourn
W Yorks - Wilkinson, Kershaw, Rawnsley, Shaw
Norfolk - Carver, Dowson
Cheshire - Berry, Cooper
Lincs - Berry
London/Ireland/Scotland/Lincs - Sullivan
Northumberland/Durham - Nicholson, Cuthbert, Turner, Robertson
Berks - May
Beds - Brownell

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Re: Surname Francewar
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 January 19 18:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I think we may have the same relatives here , Wilkinson/Rawnsley and have also got stuck withMatilda Francewarr, just wondered if you found out where the name originated

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Re: Surname Francewar
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 January 19 18:38 GMT (UK) »
Id say its very likely an anglicization of the French name 'Francois'

Julius Francewarr marries Elizabeth Wardman 1786 Leeds.
Dudley of Cosby, Leic - Richard Dudley, Esq
Bent of Cosby, Leic - George Bent, Gent
Swynfen of Sutton Cheney, Leic - Richard Swynfen, Gent
Cotes of Aylestone, Leic - John Cotes, Gent
Marsh of Ely, Cambs - William Marsh, Gent
Black of Kilby, Leic - William Black, Gent
Billings of Rolleston, Leic - Thomas Billings, Gent
Darker of Evington, Leic - Robert Darker, Gent
Flanders of Melton Mowbray, Leic - John Flanders, Gent
Sergeant of Melton Mowbray, Leic - Thomas Sergeant, Gent

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Re: Surname Francewar
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 January 19 08:45 GMT (UK) »
I agree that it very likely comes from Francois, which is a surname in France and Belgium, perhaps transliterated Francewar by people who couldn't spell.

But although being Anglicised to French is possible, I wonder if the name disappeared because it was changed back to Francois by more literate descendants? After all, a recent thread showed some Chumleys being taken up-market to Cholmondeley, and I have relatives born Ragg who now prefer Wragg.
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Hancox - Warks
Green - Warks
Draper - Warks
Lynes - Warks
Hudson - Warks
Morris - Denbs Mont Salop
Davies - Cheshire, North Wales
Fellowes - Cheshire, Denbighshire
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Re: Surname Francewar
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 January 19 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Other children were;
Lewis Francewarr 12 Nov 1786
Frederick Francewarr 10/10/1789
Both Bapt Leeds
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Re: Surname Francewar
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 08 January 19 12:25 GMT (UK) »
OXFORDSHIRE / BERKSHIRE
Bullock, Cooper, Boler/Bowler, Wright, Robinson, Lee, Prior, Trinder, Newman, Walklin, Louch