Lornas family 1891

[Diane101]

In the 1901 census Daniel Percy Ratcliffe (or Radcliffe) is living at Lord Street in Oldham aged 14, with his father and father's second wife Maria and children named Lornas -- Willaim aged 21, then Mary and Agnes, Robert aged 28, Margaret and Aneta.  William is a pantomimist and robert an aerobat, Margaret is an actress.  Would someone be kind enough to have a look in 1891 for me to see where these Lornases came from?  Was there a circus or a theatre in Lancashire that they might have performed in?  Was their father in the circus or the theatre?Thanks

[SandraC]

Hi Diane

This is fascinating stuff - my rellies are all very boring!

Having trouble with 1891 but found them in 1881 using a lucky guess!

RG 11/4068 Oldham below the town
Folio 180 pg 41 - Tommy Field

Richard Lomas; Head; Mar; 31; Theatrical Clown Performer; Lancs, Salford
Maria; Wife; Mar; Actress; 28; Lancs, Bury
Robert; Son; U; 9; Lancs, Bury
Anita; Dau; U; 7; Yorks, Kirkstall
Richard; Son; U; 4; Lancs, Accrington
William Barnett Lomas; Son; U; 1; Lancs, Pendlebury

All of page 41 & half of pg 42 are taken up with these travellers & circus people.

Added bonus is :
Robert Lomas; Head; Mar; 76; Theatrical Manager; Lancs, Manchester
Elizabeth; Wife; Mar; 67; ditto; ditto

James Lomas; Head; Mar; 42; Musician; Yorks, Huddersfield
Sarah; Wife; Mar; 41; Yorks, Bradford
6 children - all boring scholars!

I found a marriage in Oldham in 1893 between Jonah Radcliffe & Maria Broadbent, so I don't know if Maria went through several husbands?!

There is a death of a Richard Lomas in Oldham in 1889 age 37 which might fit too.

I'll try again for 1891 - better than looking for ag labs

Regards
SandraC

[Diane101]

Sandra, how amazing.  I wondered if Lornas might actually be Lomas. my percy ratcliffe was part of the Pender Troupe, only famous because cary grant got his start there, but i am pretty sure that bob pender and his wife were actually called Lomas.  I wonder if this is some ancestors?  wow!
interesting is very good, but if only people would stay married to the same people.  i know what you mean about maria.
Diane

[SandraC]

Hi Diane

Ha!  Out of the hat .. ..

1891 RG 12/3301 Oldham Below Town
Folio 40 pg 2 & 3 - 45 Lord Street

Peter Broadbent; Head; Mar; 39; Hardware dealer; Yorks, Sheffield
Maria; Wife; Mar; 39; Lancs, Bury
Robert Lomas; Stepson; U; 19; Hardware dealer; Lancs, Bury
Annetta Lomas; Stepdaur; U; 17; Kirkstall, Yorks
Richard Lomas; Stepson; U; 14; Cotton piecer; Lancs, Accrington
Wm B Lomas; Stepson; U; 12; Scholar; Lancs, Pendlebury
Mary E Lomas; Stepdaur; U; 9; ditto; Lancs, Radcliffe
Agnes Lomas; Stepdaur; U; 7; ditto; Lancs, Salford
Thomas Lomas; Stepson; U; 3; Lancs, Oldham

Bit of a change from hardware dealer to aerobat then!

Guess that the 1901 is slightly inaccurate - Margaret must be the wife of one of the sons, coming from London & no mention in earlier census.

Good luck with the linking up.
SandraC

[Diane101]

Thanks Sandra, that was good lateral thinking.  you are right, big change, but then people in Oldham have always been versatile, hey?
thanks again
Diane

[billybob]

Hi Diane

I visited Lord Street in Oldham today, I managed to take 3 pictures before the foul weather beat me anyway as I expected the only building I can see that remains form early 1900's is The seventh Day Adventist church on the corner of Lord Street and Shaw Street. oh and the pub. I have a photo of the entrance to the Church sadly I had to use my phone to take it. I also took 2 pictures of the "Houses" (sic) that are on Lord Sreet but had to run the meter maid cometh and was waving ticket machine at me. I will go again and try to get better pictures when the snow sleet hail and rain go.

billybob
send me your email addy I will forward the pics I have.