Heigh/Armstrong, Kirkby Lonsdale

[Jeffrey]

Hi Trisha,

You say there is a Margaret Routledge also a stepdaughter of William. Where did you find that information?

Becuase Agnes had a sister Margaret.

Also the Charters born in the 1881 Census was my grandmother. I am named after her.

Judy

['Tricia]

I'll post what I have found in a tick. That Margaret was Agnes - slip of brain.

Tricia

['Tricia]

I assume you have seen the 1871 census?

In 1861 the only William that fits is unmarried.

Have you seen this?

1861 census

John Noble, Head,Farmer of 200 acres of land age 60, Farmer of 200 acres of land born Bewcastle, Cumberland
John Noble nephew,age 37, Shepherd born Bewcastle, Cumberland
Charters Jackson,age born 1835  Hutton, Scotland Servant   
Ann Murray,age born abt 1836  Bewcastle, Cumberland

RG9/3910 Longtown Folio 64 Page 13

Charters must have married and died between 1861 and 1871 so I am not going to find her with daughter Sarah anywhere.

Have you got the 1871image, which is the other one I mentioned? This has William, Sarah and Agnes Routledge on it.
I think the birth cert I gave you is the correct one.
If William and Charters married in Scotland I won't be able to findtheir certificate.

I am not too sure what information you are seeking??
Have you sent for any birth certs for Sarah?

Tricia

[Jeffrey]

Hi Tricia
Thank you for all the information. I have the information too.

What I am really wanting is some sort of proof that it was Charters Jackson that married William Armstrong. Then her daughter married William too. I thought maybe by tracing Sarah - Charters & Williams daughter there may be a chance that that side of the family knew Charters surname.

However by you going through the same process as I have  - you have also reached the same conclusions that I have. 

Although there is a lot of evidence to suggest that Charters Jackson did marry William Armstrong i.e. by her unusual Christian name, her age, where she came from and she was in the area & had a daughter Agnes - there is still no definate proof!!

I had already sent away for the birth certificate of the Sarah you gave me and the GRO said that the parents names did not correspond to what I had asked. There was a Sarah born to a Christopher & Sarah Armstrong in the same year in Bewcastle.

I also did the same with one of her brothers, just putting in William Armstrong as father, with a search over 3 years and again drew a blank with the GRO!


 The Parish Registers did not have her Maiden name in the recording of her death. But I know they lived at Parknook Bewcastle when she died.

I can not find any marriage In England or Scotland for Charters & William - may have been Gretna but not on the Achievments site.

I know they lived together at New House Bewcastle from 1864 to 1866 as this is in the Manorial Records.

I am very grateful to you for helping .
I am quite frustrated with it. Have you any other ideas about where to get proof?

Judy

['Tricia]

Where did you look for the Charters/William marriage in England?

Tricia

[Jeffrey]

Hi Tricia,

I have looked for the marriage in
the Bewcastle Parish Registers.
Ancestry.co.uk
Free BMD
1837 on line
Scotlands people
Achievments site for Gretna Green.

I have not personally gone to look at the Records Office.

There may be another Church in Bewcastle (Knwle Church) which was I think Presbyterian that may have marriage records.

There other places at Gretna where they could have got married but I can not trace where the records are kept.

And then there may be other places in Scotland.

Any other suggestions?
Judy

['Tricia]

Well, actually, no

Perhaps they didn't actually marry?

Tricia

[Jeffrey]

Hi Trisha,

Yea perhaps they didn't marry.

But there may be part of a family out there that knows who exactly Charters was.

Thanks for your input.

Judy

['Tricia]

Hope so. Fingers crossed.

Was going to say try GenresR but I see that you are probably the Judith on there.

Good Luck, Tricia