1841 Census look-up please - Samuel RICHARDSON

[Dea]

Hi Steve,

No you can't get the birth certificates on-line for England + Wales - you have to purchase them to see the details.

The cheapest place to buy them is via GRO (General Register Office) they cost £9.25 each but some other sites charge up to 4 times that amount or even more!

You just need the  ref number from FreeBMD site.

As I have already said, if you would like copies of any of the ones I have then I am happy to e-mail them to you.

Just let me know...

Dea x

P.S. I will be back later with some info on James.

Dea x

[Dea]

Oh, I should have said that 'some' areas have their Parish Register online at sites like Ancestry or FindMyPast but they do not cover all areas unfortunately.

Dea x

[Dea]

Hi again Steve,

With regard to James c 1842 - this is what I had been working on but had not put it onto my tree yet as it is not 'proved' by documentation.

However, it all fits and I do feel it is correct.

On 1881 James and Margaret are in Staffordshire, with them is a stepson Thomas Large:


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Grindlestonedge, Horton, Leek, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Gender    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place    
James    Richardson    Head    Married    Male    38    1843    Gamekeeper    Byley com Yatehouse, Cheshire, England    
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Margaret    Richardson    Wife    Married    Female    34    1847    Gamekeepers Wife    Ridland? North Wales    
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Florence    Richardson    Daughter    Single    Female    3    1878    Daughter    Ipstones, Staffordshire, England    
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Thomas    Large    Stepson    Single    Male    9    1872    Scholar    Haydock, Lancashire, England.

I then found this baptism for Thomas:

Baptism: 9 Jul 1871 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
Thomas Large - 4 Child 3 Son of William Large & Margaret
    Born: 16 Jun 1871
    Abode: Judgefield Brow Haydock St James
    Occupation: Stoker
    Baptised by: George Barrett
    Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1873, Page 240, Entry 1920
    Source: LDS Film 1885659


This marriage seemed 'favourite' :

Name:    William Large - Fireman - widower
Age:    Full Age
Marriage Date:    7 Feb 1869
Parish:    Liverpool, St Nicholas
Spouse's Name:    Margaret Morris
Father's name:    William Large - Hair dresser
Spouse Father's Name:    Price Morris - Labourer
Reference Number:    283 NIC/3/69

Witnesses - Matthew Chorley + Ellinor Morris
Her address - Loui-s St ?? - His - Woodstock St.



So, this was the couple on 1871, before Thomas's birth:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Judgefield Brow, Haydock, Warrington, Lancashire, England


Household Members
First name(s)    Last name    Relationship    Marital status    Gender    Age    Birth year    Occupation    Birth place    
William    Large    Head    -    Male    30    1841    -    Lancashire, England     - Banksman
Margaret    Large    Wife    -    Female    24    1847    -    Gloucestershire, England    - Image says Ridland? Wales !!! ****
Mathew    Chorley    Lodger    -    Male    30    1841    -    Lancashire, England    
Jno    Norman    Lodger    -    Male    20    1851    -    Lancashire, England    

NOTE that the address is the same as the baptism and a witness from their marriage is lodging with them


William seems to have died later that year, a few months after the birth of Thomas:

Deaths Dec 1871   (>99%)
Large    William    31    Warrington    8c   97     Scan available - click to view
 

 
It looks as though Margaret's father is actually 'Pierce' and not 'Price' as on her marriage entry to William and she was baptised in Ruddlan (Ridland /Ryddland):
 
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First name(s)    MARGARET
Last name    MORRIS
Birth year    1846
Birth day    -
Birth month    -
Baptism year    1846
Baptism day    30
Baptism month    Aug
Place    RHUDDLAN
Mother's first name(s)    Margaret
Father's first name(s)    Pierce
County    Flintshire
Country    Wales
Record set    Flint Baptisms
Category    Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory    Births & baptisms
Collections from    Great Britain


This would be her parent's marriage:

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First name(s)    PIERCE
Last name    MORRIS
Birth year    -
Marriage year    1846
Marriage day    23
Marriage month    May
Place    RHUDDLAN
Spouse's first name(s)    MARGARET
Spouse's last name    VAUGHAN
Groom's parish    -
Groom's age    Full
Groom's father's first name(s)    William
Groom's father's last name    Morris
Bride's parish    -
Bride's age    Full
Bride's father's first name(s)    Owen
Bride's father's last name    Vaughan
Parish    Rhuddlan
County    Flintshire
Country    Wales
Record set    Flint Marriages
Category    Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory    Marriages & divorces
Collections from    Great Britain


I believe that she later married James Richardson under her maiden name (which was not unusual at that time):
1876 Marriage:
MORRIS   Margaret   RICHARDSON   James   Northwich, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended   Cheshire West   NO/6/140

This marriage then fits well with the birth of their child Florence who appears with them on 1881 census.

Of course, to prove this their marriage cert would be required giving fathers names etc.

Dea x

[Dea]

OOOOhh - I think I have found my notes on the Hitchinsons back to 1716 !!! - I knew I had them somewhere !!!

They will need some checking but I will dig them out tomorrow !!

Dea x

[CheshireSteve]

Wow, thanks for all that info. It will take me a while to digest and respond. I realise now I should be more diligent in recording the sources of my info when completing my family tree.

For James I have entered residence and occupation info for 1871 and 1901, which means I have census entries.
1871 James was living with parents John and Maria in Byley cum Yatehouse working as a game keeper
1901 James was again living in Byley (aged 58) this time with wife Margaret (aged 53) born in St Asaph, Denibghshire with child Ethel aged 17 born Rudheath, Cheshire. Ethel was christened at Byley 3rd Feb 1884. James' occupation was given as farmer so maybe he inherited the farm and returned from his travels.

Perhaps the Ridland? you have for Margaret is Rhuddlan which I suspect has a similar pronunciation, and is just North of St Asaph.

I had missed the 1881 census entry as FamilySearch has his birthplace as Ryby Cum Yatchouse. That was a good spot. Have to add that to the familt tree. Thanks.

Steve

[CheshireSteve]

Just to complete the James Richardson story - I visited Byley church and his gravestone is right outside the entrance porch.



Also in the same graveyard - and rather hard to read is a gravestone for George and Sarah Richardson of Bostock. Sarah died June 18th 187? aged 37 (so 1877 ish), George died May 26th but its hard to get the age and date.



I saw no Chesters or Hicktons, but quite a lot of Percivals.

[Dea]

This does not transfer onto here very well as it has changed the format and all the little reference numbers change to full sized ones so I don't know if you will be able to follow it but 'here goes':


Descendants of John Hitchinson


Generation No. 1

1.  JOHN1 HITCHINSON was born Abt. 1693.  He married ANN WILKINSON 30 Jul 1716.  She was born Abt. 1695.

Notes for JOHN HITCHINSON:
He was a Tailor and at his son's baptism was said to be of Stanston  (or Stanthorne) in the parish of Davenham
   
Children of JOHN HITCHINSON and ANN WILKINSON are:
2.   i.   WILLIAM2 HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1719, Over, Cheshire.
   ii.   JOHN HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1720.

Notes for JOHN HITCHINSON:
Baptised 11th March, 1720


Generation No. 2

2.  WILLIAM2 HITCHINSON (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1719 in Over, Cheshire.  He married SARAH EGERTON 13 May 1743 in St Chad's, Over, Cheshire.  She was born Abt. 1720, and died 1800 in Cheshire - buried St. Chads, Over 2/7/1800.

Notes for WILLIAM HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St. Chads, Over on 19th April, 1719
He was a Tailor, like his father.
   
Child of WILLIAM HITCHINSON and SARAH EGERTON is:
3.   i.   JAMES3 HITCHINSON.


Generation No. 3

3.  JAMES3 HITCHINSON (WILLIAM2, JOHN1)  He married MARY HULSE 31 Dec 1770 in Whitegate, Cheshire. 

Notes for JAMES HITCHINSON:
There are more probably children i.e.
Martha c 1777   baptised 25/5/1777
James  c 1777   baptised 25/5/1777
Matty (female) c 1779   baptised 31/1/1779
Betty c 1781   baptised 20/5/1781
Samuel c 1786   baptised 2/6/1786.

Need to check where they werte baptised.!
   
Children of JAMES HITCHINSON and MARY HULSE are:
   i.   MARY4 HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1772.

Notes for MARY HITCHINSON:
Birth entry in Register shows as HUTCHINSON.
Baptised at St Bartholomew's Church, Church Minshull on 18th October, 1772

4.   ii.   JOHN HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1774.

                              Generation No. 4

4.  JOHN4 HITCHINSON (JAMES3, WILLIAM2, JOHN1) was born Abt. 1774.  He married HANNAH L WOOLDRIDGE 28 Dec 1797 in Whitegate, Cheshire..  She was born Abt. 1779.

Notes for JOHN HITCHINSON:
Birth name in Register shows as HUTCHINSON.
Baptised at St. Barthomew's Church, Church Minshull 16th October, 1774.
Witness at marriage in 1797 was James Hutchinson.
All their children were born around Darnhall or Swanlow.
   
Children of JOHN HITCHINSON and HANNAH WOOLDRIDGE are:
   i.   JAMES5 HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1799, Cheshire.

Notes for JAMES HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St. Chad's Over,  3rd February, 1799

   ii.   MARY HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1800, Cheshire; m. WILLIAM SANDBACH, 07 Jun 1831, St Chads, Over.

Notes for MARY HITCHINSON:
Bsptised at St Chad's, Over, 21st September, 1800

Her name at some stage changed to HITCHINS.

   iii.   HANNAH HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1802, Cheshire; d. Abt. 1874; m. GEORGE HOUGH, 28 Dec 1820, St. Chad's, Over; b. Abt. 1787; d. Abt. 1869.

Notes for HANNAH HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St. Chad's, 5th December, 1802.


Marriage Notes for HANNAH HITCHINSON and GEORGE HOUGH:
At marriage, both shown as servants and the witness was James Hitchinson.

   iv.   SAMUEL HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1804, Cheshire; d. Abt. 1836, Wharton, Cheshire; m. HANNAH SMITH, 31 Dec 1827, St. Wilfred's Church, Davenham.

Notes for SAMUEL HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St Chad's, Over on 30th December, 1804.
Buried at St. Chads, 29th January, 1836

   v.   THOMAS HITCHINSON, b. 30 Mar 1807, Cheshire; d. 1894; m. MARY HASSALL, 19 Oct 1829, St Wilfred's Church, Davenham.

Notes for THOMAS HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St. Chad's, Over on 24th May, 1807.

Married as 'Richardson' but may have reverted to Hitchinson around the birth of his first child.

Buried at St Chads, Over 4th or 9th March, 1894

Marriage Notes for THOMAS HITCHINSON and MARY HASSALL:
Witnesses Mary Hitchen + Samuel Drinkwater

   vi.   JOHN HITCHINSON, b. Abt. 1809, Cheshire; d. 1886; m. MARIA PERCIVAL; b. Abt. 1810.

Notes for JOHN HITCHINSON:
Baptised at St Chad's, Over on 12th March, 1809.

Later changed his name to Richardson around 1828.
Buried at Byley - 10th June, 1886.


It would be easier to send by direct e-mail - I can understand that you may not wish to give out your personal e-mail address but you can easily open up one of those online e-mail accounts - they don't cost anything and you could just use it for things like this.  I think google do one and Yahoo and Outlook.com  You can also often create a second address on your existing server which is  completely separate to your mail one.

I could then send all those certs to you too.

Dea x

[CheshireSteve]

Wow, thats a chunk to digest, but I am delighted to say that John Hitchinson and Ann Wilkinson from 1693/1695 is also as far as I was able to trace back the Hitchinsons. I got the feeling they went back further to Nantwich or Bunbury but couldn't find the link. Bunbury graveyard didn't turn anything up either - gravestones don't seem to last that long.

We also have the same siblings for John and Hannah, though I suspect James also changed his name to Richardson and moved to Warmingham - will have to dig in my records to see what I based that on.

I won't be able to make a full comparison until tomorrow. Will PM an address to you, but useful to have this on here for others to see. Who knows who might discover this one day.

Steve

[CheshireSteve]

Regarding parents for John Hitchinson b1693. I was confused to find multiple entries for a christening in Nantwich identical but for the year 20th Feb 1692 in one place, 20th Feb 1693 in another (father Richard). I was ignorant of the old calendar that ran until 1752 where the year always started on the 25th March, so it must come from that. One data entry person has respected the old Julian calendar, and one had mapped the dates onto the Gregorian calendar. Dead confusing.