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Offline Gardener

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Anyone know what flette means?
« on: Monday 06 September 04 17:00 BST (UK) »
In the "Heralds visit to Worcestershire in 1569" there is a woman included:

Katharen da. & heire to Wm Walsall Wollashall of Wollashall in com. Worcester garden of the flette. ARMS. - Argent, a wolfe passant sable.

My question is: what does "garden of the flette" mean? Tisn't in my pocket French dictionary so I'm stumped >:( Come to think of it, what is com. short for?
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Re: Anyone know what flette means?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 September 04 17:26 BST (UK) »
Have not a clue what flette means and are you sure that says Com and not Corn.

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Re: Anyone know what flette means?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 September 04 17:51 BST (UK) »
One use of the word flette in French is currently for a ferry boat that crosses the Seine in Duclair, France.  They have a relatively flat bottom with a stern ramp that can be lowered to allow easy access e.g. for livestock in days gone by.

However, I would think the word and context you are looking at is medieval in origin and could be old French or old English in origin.  There is no reference to  flette in my Heraldry book, so I am not sure what to think.

Nell

PS The "com" could be an abbreviation for the French word for County - comté.  Just a thought.
Further thought - could this mean that this chap lived by the garden near the ferry??
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Re: Anyone know what flette means?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 September 04 19:05 BST (UK) »
I just can't resist...are you sure it wasn't 'dot com'? ;D
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Re: Anyone know what flette means?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 September 04 20:41 BST (UK) »
Ha Ha! Thank you Jane ;D

Fitty - I'm not entirely sure about the com. but think so, it is a scanned transcription which I am looking at and it looks as though it was printed on that nasty paper.

Little Nell - thanks a lot for your suggestions, compté sounds right. Not sure about the ferry, will have to look into the geography.

Oh oh, got to dash - parents meeeting, always something, don't they know I have better things to do!
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Re: Anyone know what flette means?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 September 04 21:01 BST (UK) »
Hi

When Grandad James comes om later - he is sure to know what 'flette' means

Over to you Grandad

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Re: Anyone know what flette means?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 September 04 23:37 BST (UK) »
Hi All ..

Nope ,got me stumped as well. ???

Although I feel it is to do with the topography of Worcester,
rather than heraldry. The Arms being described after the word Flette.
I can't recall it right now but I think a friend from Evesham described Worcester in some flowery terms--garden ???

Bet we are giving coogle a bashing ;D

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Re: Anyone know what flette means?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 September 04 06:59 BST (UK) »
All joking apart, in the Concise Oxford Dictionary, one meaning of the word. 'fleet' is 'Shallow (of water) at or to no great depth' of Old English origin, fleat
I would agree with grandad James, that it's a geographical feature.
Is there a river or stream in the area that might bear the name of Fleet or Fleat?
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 September 04 07:04 BST (UK) »
Just a little extra here.  I looked up the word garden in the same dictionary...........
'specially fertile region (the.......of England, Kent, Worcestershire, etc') so a term used in a much broader sense than we use it today!
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