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Re: Help in NSW please
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 25 November 20 09:46 GMT (UK) »
I have sent Anne a private message but thought I would post here in case others show interest in Frederick Leopold 1877-1956.

He is my 2 x great grandfather and he married Emma Mason in the UK and had 2 children before they separated and went their separate ways.   They initially went to Dundee where Emma stayed with her lover and daughter and he went on to Australia sometime after 1901 and stayed there until his death.  I have his death certificate.  Their son was palmed onto his maternal grandparents and then his maternal aunt.

Although I had suspicions that Frederick Leopold had had children in Australia due to his 40+ year residency there I could see no documentary evidence of that fact.  Nor were his grandchildren aware of any from the letter(s) they received and final news report ( since lost ) of the funeral.

However, in the last few weeks a match on my mother's MyHeritage DNA kit has highlighted the likelihood that they are a great grandchild of Frederick Leopold via one of his partners/lovers.   They have since received a match on their Ancestry kit of what appears to be a half aunt on the same side of the tree pointing at another grandchild of Frederick Leopold.

If anyone thinks they may also be a descendant of this guy, please upload any DNA test you have done to MyHeritage so we can confirm the connection with more certainty as I have DNA matches from Frederick Leopold's father and grandfather to help confirm the family connection.

I may not visit often .. I haven't been on here for years, maybe even decades .. so it may be a while before I see any responses.   But I will bookmark this forum posting to remind me.

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Re: Help in NSW please
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 28 November 20 21:37 GMT (UK) »
You were last here, 2018, so not long ago  ;): Travelling People / Re: Complete-Dighton/Deighton Gypsy Family
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His military record, previously mentioned:

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8070954

SWANBOROUGH Frederick Funeral notice 27AUG1956 Funeral late of Leeville Northern Star (Lismore) 27AUG1956   

SWANBOROUGH Frederick Obituary 7SEP1956 Publication 79 at Casino Memorial Hospital Northern Star (Lismore) 7SEP1956

He had a drinking problem:

Mentioned, 4th column:  http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article93494723

4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article96433667

3rd last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article122155978

5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article233789026

This is the woman who makes complaints about him:

PERKENFELT Lenobia Funeral notice 9DEC1938 Funeral late of Casino Northern Star (Lismore) 9DEC1938   
Obit: 2nd last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article94610359
Funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article94610234

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Re: Help in NSW please
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 29 November 20 03:26 GMT (UK) »
Yeah that 2018 was the first visit after years away after doing a google search regarding my gipsy ancestors I had gained new info on.

Anyway, in regards to Frederick Leopold.  I had most if not all of his Australian records being the great granddaughter of his only known surviving child he left in the UK.  But some of those news reports I hadn't seen before.   But, what I haven't seen is the report detailing Frederick Leopolds funeral.  Apparently there had been a procession, probably due to him being an Anzac.   This report had been sent to my great uncles at the time but since then has been lost.

What my response here was for in the hopes of reaching the person that was looking at Frederick Leopold as her potential ancestor, meaning that we could be cousins.  I have mine and my mother's DNA done so that theory should hopefully be confirmed due to the DNA that should be shared between 1st and 2nd cousins.  As I mentioned, I have since found that he did have at least one child after his arrival in Australia and that resulted in at least 2 grandchildren and 1 great grandchild.  2 of those 3 are amongst my matches on MyHeritage so there is a potential for more and like these are possibly adopted or father unknown.


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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 29 November 20 08:39 GMT (UK) »

Sydney Morning Herald 14 Jun 1881 p10
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13488171?
.....HONORA MULQUEENY........ residence of her son, No. 24, Little Arthur-street, Surry Hills,
.....Mr. DENNIS MULQUEENY......beloved MOTHER
.....Mrs. ARNOLD....... beloved MOTHER
.... Mr. JAMES HOWARD....MOTHER-IN-LAW, Mrs. Honoria Mulqueeney

Petersham Catholic Cemetery

Sydney Morning Herald 4 Sep 1911 p7
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15271358?
MULQUEENY.—The Friends of Mr. DENIS MULQUEENY.......wife leave 47 Bucknell street Newtown
Catholic Rookwood....

Sydney Morning Herald 3 Sep 1912 p8      In Mem. Bridget  died 1911
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15332350?
MULQUEENEY -In sad but loving memory of my dear wife and mother, Bridget MULQUEENEY, who died September 3rd, 1911, aged 66 years.....husband, Dennis, and children Katie and Frederick.

.....daughter and son in law, Norah and Frederick SWANSBOROUGH...... Dorothy, Violet, and Edna

.... son Jack MULQUEENEY, 37 Buckland street Newtown

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Re: Help in NSW please
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 29 November 20 12:42 GMT (UK) »
Although my line of Swanborough's never used Swansborough spelling you never know.

Frederick Leopold left Scotland for Australia on the Omrah in 1907 and embarked in the forces in 1915 having been living c/o the Sandilands Hotel in Mallanganee, Casino at that point and using the name Swanborough.  Although he never officially divorced from his wife Emma Mason they were separated sometime between 1902 when their son was baptised in Manor Park, East London (Essex) and their arrival in Scotland by 1907 leaving their son with his maternal grandparents in Essex.   

The American and Australian line of Swanborough families tended to use Swansborough in daily use.  So this could be the other Frederick who married Norah.  But, timing is possible for my Frederick, although, at the time of his death in 1956 no one was aware of him being married in Australia or any children.   So, what was Norah's status at that point, and their children ?

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Re: Help in NSW please
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 29 November 20 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Found this ..
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18019131?
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) 
Thu 2 Jan 1947
Page 16
Family Notices

SWANBOROUGH, Hanorah.—January 1,1947, at a private hospital, of 4 Cross Street.
Forest Lodge, dearly loved wife of Frederick and loved mother of Dorothy, Violet, Edna,
Sidney, Arthur, and Lurline, aged 65 years R.I.P.

SWANBOROUGH.—The Relatives and Friends of Mr. Frederick Swanborough and Family
are kindly invited to attend the Funeral of his dearly loved Wife and their dear Mother
and Grandmother, Hanorah; to leave our Funeral Home, 24 Enmore Road, Newtown.
To-morrow (Friday) Morning, at 9.45 o'clock, for the Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood. Labor
Motor Funerals Limited. 24 Enmore Road, Newtown. 'Phone LA2777 (4 lines).

So 9 years earlier they were in Forest Lodge, Sydney, with children alive and well and honouring their parents...

A quick look at the death entries for a Frederick Swanborough after 1947 anywhere in NSW came up with this other entry.

SWANBOROUGH FREDERICK - 563/1948 - 66 YRS - CAMPERDOWN - NEWTOWN

Newtown was where the Hanorah Swanborough had her funeral so this is likely the Frederick she married and not Frederick Leopold who died 8 years later in Casino.

Unfortunately no PDF available for his death entry.

News report for his funeral..
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18059813?
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) 
Wed 4 Feb 1948
Page 20
Family Notices

SWANBOROUGH -The Relatiscs and Friends of the late FREDERICK
SWANBOROUGH are kindly ins I ted to attend his Funeral to leave our Funeral
Home 24 Enmore Read Newtown This Afternoon at 3 30 o clock for the Cre
mator um Rockwood Labor Motor Funerals Limited 2* Enmore Road
Newtovn Phone LA2777 (4 lines)