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Offline Freeman

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Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« on: Friday 06 January 06 10:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I am seeking detail of a marriage between John Palmer born c. 1799 in Peterborough and Mary Ayres born c. 1808 also in Peterborough.
Their eldest three children known to me were all born in Ramsey, ie Mary (Sept 1838), Betsy (Mar. 1842) and John, my greatx2 grandfather in April 1844.
No sign of this marriage in the Gro register.
Any help or suggestions much appreciated.
Blundell,Clark,Garbutt,Handley,Hills,Horlor,McFarlane,Palmer,Parrett,Pass,Saker,Sanderson,Stacey,Willmott

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Re: Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 January 06 15:06 GMT (UK) »
On 1851 census they are living in Gt White Ramsey

John age 57 & Mary age 42 both born Peterborough, plus children
Mary age 11 Betsy 9 Ann 5 John 4 & Lavinia 1, all born Ramsey

regards John
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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 January 06 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi John,

Thanks for your message re 1851 census. My apologies- perhaps I should have pointed out in my request that the 1851, and John Palmer (junior)'s birth cert were the info I was starting from.

Sorry you spent time on this.

Freeman 
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Re: Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 January 06 00:03 GMT (UK) »
On the 1841 census there is:
John Palmer age 30 ag lab  not born in county
Mary Palmer        30               "          "
Frances Palmer     8                "          "
Susannah Palmer  5              born in county
Mary Palmer           1              born in county

HO 107/448/14  Ramsey, Hunts

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Re: Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 January 06 00:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Freeman

no problem - seeing the 1841 details I suspect their marriage is 1833 or before, so prior to GRO indexing which started in 1837. There is nothing on the IGI for the family. Best chance is looking at parish records. But as 1st child Frances is not born in county (of Hunts) it could well be in Peterborough. 

Try posting on Northants board.

regards John
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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
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Re: Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 January 06 08:55 GMT (UK) »
There's no marriage on the Hunts Marriage Index which terminates at 1837 so there's every chance it took place in Northants

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 January 06 18:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Freeman/David

There is no mention of your ancestors on Alan Clarke/Marilyn Ponting's marriage index for Northants.  :(

Cheers Sandy
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Re: Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 January 06 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: mooncrystal on Sunday 08 January 06 00:03 GMT (UK)
On the 1841 census there is:
John Palmer age 30 ag lab  not born in county
Mary Palmer        30               "          "
Frances Palmer     8                "          "
Susannah Palmer  5              born in county
Mary Palmer           1              born in county

HO 107/448/14  Ramsey, Hunts

Many thanks for above. I have seen this at the FRC and it looks very likely but only common child with 1851 census is Mary, aged 1, although likely the elders would have left home. I dont like "John aged 30", even allowing for "rounding" as he was 57 in 1851. 
However all the censuses are slightly suspect so it is probably OK - I wish I could be sure.
Thanks again and best wishes.   
Freeman
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Re: Palmer/Ayres Marriage Query
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 January 06 19:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Freeman,

Mary Palmer born 15 nov 1839, baptised 18 Dec 1839, daug of John and Mary, Ramsey.
There were 2 John and Mary Palmers living in Ramsey around the same time although by 1841 one Mary Palmer had died.  Susanna Palmer born 26 jan 1837, bapt 19 Feb 1837 married William Edgley in 1853 making them my gt gt grandparents, Ruth
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