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Offline DAVID WALTERS

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HAVARD Talgarth
« on: Monday 16 January 06 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Would anymore look up for me a Mary Havard born in Talgarth about 1851.
She married Morgan Walters (born Sept. quarter 1856). On 6th Sept. 1879 at the parish church of Llanfigan, Brecknock. Marriage cert. notes:
Mary Havard, 27? servant maid, born Talgarth, father Philip Havard, labourer
Morgan Walters, 22? farm labourer, born Llanfigan, father walter Walters, carpenter.

By 1881 the family are living at 53, Upper High Street, Pengam, Bedwellty, Mon.
with their son William Walters age 18 months,
Mary's brother William Harvard became their lodger for a number of years in 1901 aged 42 he is still with them.
One of my family members told me Mary's father Philip Havard bought a farm near Pengam, Mon.

Can any find information for Mary, or the family at Talgarth?

David
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Walters, James, Evans, Tebbutt, Bartle.

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Re: HAVARD TALGARTH
« Reply #1 on: Monday 16 January 06 12:39 GMT (UK) »
Hello David
The following is the only Mary i can find.
the age is out but there does not appear to be another
in the census  records born Talgarth let alone with a father Philip.

Rhys

1851 Talgarth
HO107 2491 F15 P 21
William Sanders h m 82 Ag Lab pauper  Bre Talgarth
Mary Sanders w m 67 Bre Glabury
Phillip Havard sl m 29 Ag Lab Bre Llandefalle
Ann Havard d m 27 Bre Talgarth
Mary Ann Havard gd 5 Bre Talgarth
Thomas havard gs 2 Bre Talgarth
William Deyson gs 10 Scholar NK
Ann Deyson gd 10 NK
William Sanders s u AgL ab  Talgarth


1861 Talgarth
RG9 4223 F 58 P 14
Aberenig Road
all surnamed Havard all born Talgarth with the exception of Phillip

Phillip h m 35 Ag Lab Bre Llandefalle
Ann w m 36
Mary d u 15 Scholar
Thomas s  11
John  s 9
William s 6
Sarah d 3
Ann d 6 Months


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Re: HAVARD TALGARTH
« Reply #2 on: Monday 16 January 06 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Dear Rhys

Many thanks for your help. There is no age on Mary's marriage cert. Only her birth for Talgarth and her father is named Philip.
Working back from the 1881 census she is aged 30, birth around 1850-1851, the same on the 1901 census she is aged 50, birth around 1850-1851. I know she had a brother named william and a sister called sarah.
The family you found fits in with the knowledge I have of the family. Expect for Marys birth 4-5 years out with the age given on the census returns.
I have always thought Mary had the first toy boy in the family, being 6-7 years older than my great, grandfather Morgan Walters (Born Sept. quarter 1856. But if she was born in 1846 the age gap becomes greater.
Maybe this is the correct Mary but lied about being older.
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Re: HAVARD TALGARTH
« Reply #3 on: Monday 16 January 06 16:49 GMT (UK) »
Just in case it helps, there is a record of a marriage bond between

"ROWLEY, Mary, sp., Abergavenny, MON. 1837, April 22. At A. Philip Havard."

on the National Library of Wales document search site - accessed via

http://www.llgc.org.uk/cronfa/cronfa_s001.htm
Davies, Edwards, Evans, Griffiths, Hughes, James, Jones, Morgan, Nicholas, Powell, Prytherch, Rees, Williams in Glamorgan, Brecon, PEM, CMN & MGY

Biddle, Budd, Clark/e, Davis/Davies, Elliott, Emery, Harper, Harris, Lloyd, Parsons, Phillips, Pitt, Reed/Reid/Read/Rhead, Rogers, Scandrett, Smith, Tyler & Waldron in Staffs, Worcs, Hef, Cheshire, Shrops., Middlesex & Surrey.

Cooghan/Coogan/Cogan - Castleblaney, Co Monaghan

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Re: HAVARD TALGARTH
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 January 08 12:55 GMT (UK) »
david, there is a phillip havard buried in llandefalle church 4th april 1864  aged 82, his wife was elizabeth,they lived at a place called inclosure llandefalle ,later called new house, they had a daughter gwenllian =my gt gt grandmother, this might be the same family1851 672 p 6  hope this helps john 
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Re: HAVARD TALGARTH
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 05:33 GMT (UK) »
Dear John

Did your family member have a brother named Philip? Your Philip could be Philips father, then the trees would match. Many thanks for your help.
David
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Re: HAVARD TALGARTH
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 15 January 08 09:49 GMT (UK) »
DAVID, TNX FOR MESSAGE, I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE HAVARD FAMILY, IT WAS ONLY WHEN I WAS SEARCHING FOR THOMAS JONES OF NEW HOUSE LLANDEFALLE THAT I HEARD OF PHILLIP.. THOMAS JONES, HE WAS A FARMER AND LISTED AS A BUTCHER ON 1881 CENSUS, HIS WIFE WAS GWENLLIAN, EVEN ON 1841 CENSUS PHILLIP AND ELIZABETH ARE ALONE, WHATEVER CHILDREN THEY HAD ,HAD FLOWN THE NEST, GOOD HUNTING... JOHN
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