1861/71 Look up please Ward - Waltham Abbey COMPLETE thank you.

[behindthefrogs]

In 1856 Sarah Ann Tamkin (born1834 Waltam Abbey) married William Ward at Waltham Holy Cross, both were under 21!!  I assume he was younger than her.

In 1881 she is lodging at 14 Paradise Row Waltham Abbey, married but no sign of William.

Can anyone find William and Sarah Ward in 1861 and 1871 please.

many thanks

David

[daviesa]

Hello David

could this be him in 1871

RG10 1346 Bakers entry, Waltham abbey. Middlesex.

William Ward     32 head  coal dealer   b. royden essex
Mary ann  ~       11 niece                            ~          ~

Alison.

[cep]

1861 Waltham Holy Cross   RG9 801 19 p31

4 Bakers Entry
William Ward, head, mar, 24, Millman R G P Mills, b. Roydon, Essex
Sarah Ann Ward, wife, mar, 25, b. Waltham Abbey
Emma Ward, sister, unm, 18, Cap Factory, b. Roydon
Maria Ward, sister, unm, 16, Cap Factory, b. Roydon
Mary Ann Ward, niece, 1 1/2 ?, b. Roydon
George Jarman?, lodger, mar, 22, Bargeman, b. Waltham Abbey
Sarah Jarman?, wife, mar, 24, b. London


Regards   CP

[behindthefrogs]

Thank you to both of you.  I am getting more confused. Perhaps William and Sarah fell out.

Was William shown as married in 1871?

Is there any sign of Sarah Ann Ward in 1871? She is still alive in 1881 and most of her family are in the area?

[cep]

1871 Waltham Holy Cross   RG10 1346 52 p34

44 Sawardstone Street
George Salmon, head, mar, 37, Ag Lab unemployed, b. Stebbing
Frances Salmon, wife, mar, 34, b. Stebbing
John Salmon, son, 5, Scholar, b. Waltham Abbey
Ella Salmon, dau, 1, b. Waltham Abbey
John Gowers, lodger, unm, 42, Ag Lab, b. Stebbing
Sarah Ann Ward, lodger, mar, 36, Charwoman, b. Waltham Abbey


Regards   CP

[cep]

1871 Waltham Holy Cross   RG10 1346 8 p9

13 Bakers Entry
William Ward, head, mar, 32, Coal Dealer, b. Roydon
Mary Ann Ward, niece, 11, Scholar, b. Roydon
Mary Ann Holden, housekeeper, unm, 22, Housekeeper, b. Waltham Abbey
Edith E Holden, dau, 2, Dau of Housekeeper, b. Waltham Abbey
Lilly R Holden, dau, 1mo, Dau of Housekeeper, b. Waltham Abbey
Charles Holden, brother, 13, Brother of Housekeeper, b. Waltham Abbey


Something is going on here!

Regards   CP

[cep]

1881 Waltham Holy Cross   RG11 1396 26 p46

Paradise Row 1       [Paradise Row was next to Bakers Entry in previous]
William Ward, head, mar, 38, General Dealer, b. Roydon
Mary Ann Holden, [blank], unm, 38, Housekeeper, b. Nazeing, Essex
Edith Ward, dau, 12, Scholar, b. Waltham Abbey
William Ward, son, 10, Scholar, b. Waltham Abbey
Alice Ward, dau, 8, Scholar, b. Waltham Abbey
Thomas Holden, [son x'd out] boarder, 13, Scholar, b. Scotland
James Nottage, boarder, unm, 26, Gen Labourer, b. Waltham Abbey
John Charles, serv, unm, 18, Gen Labourer, b. Bishops Stortford, Herts


Regards   CP

[behindthefrogs]

Thank you CP

For a family which were keen baptists Sarah's family are certainly interesting.  I have already found out that her brother was a bigamist.

Thank you again

David

[antonymark]

Hi there,

I know this is an old thread but Mr. Google led me here (where I should have looked first  ) and I think I can add a little more.

I believe that Mary Ann Holden and her brother Charles are siblings of my 2xg grandfather William Holden. They are the children of George Holden and Mary Ann, nee White.

The GRO index entries of those children with the ever changing surnames are rather telling:

Births Jun 1869 Edmonton 3a 202
Holden, Edith Amelia Ward (mmn --)

Births Jun 1871 Edmonton 3a 217
Holden, Lilly Revina (mmn --)

Births Dec 1872 Edmonton 3a 241
Holden, Alice Mary Ward (mmn --)

Births Dec 1875 Edmonton 3a 258
Holden, William George Ward (mmn --)

There is also this birth and sad death of an earlier child:

Births Dec 1867 Edmonton 3a 207
Holden, Mary Ann Ward (mmn --)

Deaths Dec 1868 Edmonton 3a 130
Holden, Mary Ann Ward (1)

The 13 year old Thomas Holden, born Scotland, boarding with them in 1881 I think may be the son of Mary Ann's older brother John. If this is him he seems to have got himself counted twice on census night as he also appears with his parents at 1 Gowers Walk, Whitechapel (RG11 447 4 5).

I have seen your other post about William and Mary Ann with Mrs Ward still living nearby in 1891 and I can add that Mary Ann is still with William in 1901 at 10 Paradise Row (RG13 1276 25 2). William is still recorded as married - although I can't see Sarah Ann about - and Mary Ann is a 'boarder' in relation to the head of the household and her occupation is 'housekeeper'. None of the children are with them.

It looks like William died in 1902 and Mary Ann in 1906.

How interesting that whilst William was obviously happy to acknowledge his children, and it would have been known by all what the set up was, on census night Mary Ann could only be a 'housekeeper', 'servant', or 'boarder'. I have other cases of marital breakdown in my family tree where the new woman would quietly become 'wife' with no marriage taking place. I suppose this couldn't happen here with Sarah Ann always living close by.

Best regards, Tony.